No, they didn’t. McConnell refused to even allow a vote on the matter. That’s not “advice”, that’s cowardice.
“Vote for Biden - Nothing is Better than Trump!”
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Shodan
Are you saying that only the magic of Bernie Sanders will be able to get anything done? Bernie, who shits rainbows and unicorns, will somehow make Congress (who would be MUCH less Democratic if he’s on the ticket rather than Biden) do his bidding and overhaul the entire health care system?
We are down to three choices:
1- Don the Con who will continue to take giant steps toward fascism
2- Bernie, who will make massive proposals that don’t have a prayer of passing
3- Biden, who will be able to reverse the march toward fascism and will be able to make incremental progressive change.
Yeppers. I was discussing how I might votein the Maryland primary on April 28.
On November 3, I’ll be voting for the Democratic nominee.
That was then and this is now. Since then, Biden was instrumental in passing the ACA and championing marriage equality. He’s also come a long way since Anita Hill and the crime bill. Both of which he’s admitted to being wrong about. When people know better, they do better. Biden has shown the capacity to learn and change his stance on many important issues and he’s consistently been a champion for down ballot candidates and the Democratic party. Sanders, on the other hand, has held fast to his socialist ideals (which is not an entirely bad thing), has not been a champion of the Democratic party or a deal maker, and has not shown the same capacity to grow and improve (which is a bad thing, IMO).
So Sanders is far more of an ideologue than Biden, and I’d be more concerned with someone like Sanders than Biden when it comes to holding on to bad ideas in the face of new, better ones.
So yes, both candidates suffer from liabilities after all their years in politics. However, it seems to me that Biden is far less a liability than Sanders, given the above reasoning. We’ll see how things play out today, but my suspicion is that being an inflexible ideologue is going to be a far bigger negative, as judged by the electorate, than being a humble moderate.
You’d think it was that simple, but no. There is a poster in this thread (not 2MT) who seems to have made the argument that if people don’t recognize St. Bernie’s brilliance deserve another 4 years of Trump to teach them a lesson the hard way. I suppose that’s the super-progressive version of tough love.
None of Biden’s agenda? He has a much better chance of getting his moderate agenda thru than Sanders with his radical agenda. Politcal experts agree on that.
But you see, you continue to attack Biden. And you didnt answer my questions as to why. I suspect your motives.
When I’m being raped I tend to notice it.
Biden will be seen as a sop compromise to rebupkis who will just go on pillaging and raping democracy for the oligarchs.
They will get him to sign on to reductions in entitlements etc. It will be socialism for the corporations (!) and the killing floor for the middle class once more!
Anyone who comes into the potus now needs to try to correct some of the crimes against democracy that have occurred in 4 years. Can “Both sides Joe” from the 1990s do that? BSJ might just lose to dt.
WTF is a “rebupkis”?
Joe will not cut SocSec or any entitlement- in fact he wants to increase them
Rebupkis are a R party who have devolved to bupkis.
Joe has been wanting to cut SS for years. Can you cite that he wants to increase it now?
In a sense, that is effectively the pro-Biden argument, just because nothing meritorious or meaningful will pass with him as president.
But…he would not be Trump.
Whether the Dems take back the Senate is much more important for anything meaningful to pass. And it’s much more likely to take the Senate with Biden as the candidate than with Sanders.
Thank God Biden has kryptonite against republican stonewalling. They know him and like him. They wouldn’t do that to him. He’s so “acceptable” that we are bound to get approval from some republicans which I think we agree is the most important factor in the Dem primaries.
Lets alll get along with republicans can’t we?
So we should pretend that the structural problems with republicanism aren’t in play in 2020, even though we are swimming in it. Lets’ go back to the good old days? Maybe they will remember what it was like working together?
No, he NEVER wanted to cut SocSec. That is a base canard spread by the Kremlin, Sanders and Bernie bros.
Misleading.
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The Bottom Line
Sanders framed this as “40 years of working with Republicans to cut Social Security.” But these statements came during periods when a growing budget deficit was a major concern in official Washington. Biden, like many mainstream politicians, thought action needed to be taken.
In some cases, Biden offered proposals intended to counter more extreme options offered by Republicans. At other times, Biden indicated a willingness to bargain with Republicans, though any deal resulting in spending reductions in entitlement programs was forever elusive. After 1983, the benefit cuts never happened.
In one case — 1983 — Sanders attacks Biden for supporting a deal that Sanders himself had praised. That’s rich.
Also missing from this picture are the many votes Biden took to increase certain Social Security benefits or block GOP plans; the Biden campaign provides a list of nearly 50 votes from Biden’s long Senate career.
Meanwhile, both parties now appear to have abandoned any pretense about caring about budget deficits. Biden’s campaign platform calls for raising Social Security payroll taxes on wealthier Americans and boosting benefits for people who have been receiving Social Security payments for at least 20 years.
Biden certainly could be challenged on why he took these positions at the time, but the snippets cited by Sanders are missing important context.*
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A couple times he used the thread of a across the board cut in *everything *to call the Republicans bluff, and it worked- as Joe knew it would. The GOP wanted to cut a few social programs in the interest of “Balancing the budget”,:rolleyes: so Joe called their bluff.
*That’s not what Biden is proposing now. In his 2020 bid, Biden has proposed a plan that would increase revenue for Social Security by eliminating the payroll tax cap and expand benefits for some of the oldest seniors.
“There will be no compromise on cutting Medicare and Social Security, period. That’s a promise,” Biden said at the 2020 Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum on Jan. 20, according to VICE News.*
*Biden would increase the minimum benefit for lifelong workers and make payments for the oldest people more generous. To shore up Social Security’s finances, he would raise taxes on upper income households, although his plans doesn’t say by how much.
“We should be increasing, not decreasing, Social Security,” Biden said at an AARP Iowa forum in July. *
https://joebiden.com/older-americans/
I*II. PRESERVE AND STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY
Social Security is the bedrock of American retirement. Roughly 90% of retirement-age Americans receive Social Security benefits, and one-in-four rely on Social Security for all, or almost all, of their income. The program has not only ensured that middle-class workers can enjoy the sound and secure retirement they worked so hard for, it also lifted over 17 million older Americans out of poverty in 2017 alone.
The Biden Plan will protect Social Security for the millions of Americans who depend on the program. With Social Security’s Trust Fund already in deficit and expected to be exhausted in 2035, we urgently need action to make the program solvent and prevent cuts to American retirees.
But the Biden Plan doesn’t stop there. As president, Joe Biden will strengthen benefits for the most vulnerable older Americans – including widows and widowers, lifelong workers with low monthly benefits, and old-age beneficiaries who may have exhausted their other savings. Specifically, the Biden Plan will:
Put Social Security on a path to long-run solvency.*
This freakout you’re having? It’s how MSNBC felt 3 weeks ago. 
MSNBC is not what you think they are.
If posts on point about R obstruction, Bidens retro politics, and Dem naivete qualify as a freakout, are you really ready for 2020?
Dear Bernie. It’s over. The Fat Lady (i.e. Michigan) has sang.
Time to man up, concede graciously, and help Biden get trump out of the White House.