Joe_Cool and Jersey Diamond - Match Made In Hell

[tiny_ham]

The Horror Begins

From Joe_Cool, emphasis mine:

The right thing for you dad to do (IMO) would have been to burn your ass, then as you gradually become able to sit down again, talk to you and explain two things: 1. why it’s vitally important not to touch the guns without supervision and permission, and 2. that if it happens again, what you got today will seem like a picnic on a warm summer day. Kids don’t live by reason alone. Sometimes a good, healthy dose of Dad’s belt is an important dietary supplement.

Please note the mother fucking SMILIE at the end of this glorious paragraph where Joe_Cool basically advocates the regular beating (dietary supplement translating as ‘regular’ to me) of children with a LEATHER BELT until they ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO SIT DOWN.

And then the lovely and talented Jersey Diamond backs up this happy family image with:

Not spanking a child when necessary is child abuse.

Then, when we moved the argument to a new Great Debates thread, Joe_Cool and Jersey Diamond go so far as to put SCRIPTURE IN THEIR SIGS to show how excited they are to beat their kids some day, Joe_Cool makes the breathtaking statement that if spanking were illegal he’s still do it, asserts that children who aren’t beaten with belts are wild, undisciplined, doing drugs and roaming the streets and in addition, called Anahita an idiot for being opposed to beating with leather belt.

I also had a few idiots for teacher. Those were the ones that though they were everyones
parents. Sound like you Anahita.

Jersey then ends this joyous holiday feeling with a terribly sad story, but one I just can’t muster much pity for, since she obviously didn’t learn one damn thing.

When I was bad, my mother made me go get a switch off the tree myself. Yeah, I tried to
run. Then my legs had red marks all over them. I knew that running would make it 10 time worse. I think it is a childs automatic response. You know what, I survived. Not only
that but I am a well rounded person.

Jersey: you were abused. And it is ANY ANIMAL’s natural response to run from abuse or pain.

An important note in all of this is that VERY FEW people came out to say that SPANKING with a hand, a little swat on the ass was wrong…it was the LEATHER BELT UNTIL YOU CAN’T SIT DOWN that we can’t get past, assholes. I came from a very conservative family. I was punished in any variety of ways, and yes, spanked. I was never hit with something that could LEAVE A FUCKING MARK ON MY FOUR YEAR OLD BODY.

And newsflash, I turned out fabulously, as did my sister who managed to threaten my parents with a KNIFE and still not get beaten. We both have grown up, have a great relationship with our parents, are close in our faith, love the lord, have great jobs and great relationships with men. Never did a drug in my life, not even pot, don’t smoke, steal, nothin. I think you will find out that there’s a lot of people on this board who weren’t given a ‘taste of the leather’ and are still well rounded people.
Will it make you feel good to have such fear from your children instead of love? To have them be scared, walking on eggshells 24/7? Everytime you quote the Old Testament, I’m going to come right back at you with LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, because THAT IS THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT. And don’t you forget it.

To wrap up, I’d like to say what I can’t say in great debates: It makes me fucking nauseous to think of you in charge of small children. I trust you will successfully make your children fearful, dangerously submissive, a girl child will most likely be susceptible to abusive relationships, and I GOD DAMN GUARANTEE YOU that you will drive them away from the teachings of Jesus Christ faster than you can say DYSFUNCTIONAL.

You fucking people make Carrie’s mom look like Mary Poppins.

[Liberal]

I got spankings.

[Ferrous]

Wow. Well done, jar. I concur.

[Guinastasia]

They remind me of these people.

That’s just sick.

[nswgru1]

TEEHEEE

jarbabyj I find it highly ironic that somebody who admits to being a sub in one thread would say this:

I trust you will successfully make your children fearful, dangerously submissive, a girl child will most likely be susceptible to abusive relationships

[Qadgop_the_Mercotan]

In my job as a prison physician I see plenty of the inmates who were beaten with leather belts and other implements quite regularly by their parents and grandparents. It didn’t seem to keep this subset of the population on the straight and narrow. Some it certainly desensitized to violence. One guy here is serving 30 years for shaking his daughter to death.

[tiny_ham]

*Originally posted by nswgru1 *
**TEEHEEE

jarbabyj I find it highly ironic that somebody who admits to being a sub in one thread would say this:

I trust you will successfully make your children fearful, dangerously submissive, a girl child will most likely be susceptible to abusive relationships **

TEEHHEEEEE…once you grow up and realize there’s a fucking difference between consensual, adult submission and beating a child who has no recourse but to take it, maybe it will be less funny to you.

[Duck_Duck_Goose]

Thank you, Jar.

originally posted by Jersey Diamond:
**leander, it’s called discipline, (weather by belt or hand) not child abuse. Not spanking a child when necessary is child abuse. Those are the children that get their asses kicked in school. **

So, the logic runs, children who are never spanked at home will be tormented by bullies at school? So you have to teach them physical violence at home, so they won’t get picked on at school?

What complete and utter bullshit.

News flash, dearie: I never had to spank, or beat, or whip, or cane, my kids once they were too old for the “toddler’s quick hand-swat on the bottom”, and they’ve never had any problems with “getting their asses kicked” at school.

And I was beaten with a belt, too, once–three precise symbolic strokes for a particularly heinous crime–and my mom and dad were so sickened by it (they had bad advice from someone on how to deal with me) that they never did it again.

And it didn’t save me from being picked on at school.

And it didn’t keep me from repeating the particularly heinous crime, only I got a lot more careful about it.
You are wrong, JD. Dead wrong.

[Homebrew]

I was raised in a Pentecosal, Bible-thumping, tounge-talking, faith-healing church. I got whipped when I acted up. Soundly. I remember getting bruises on my ass and legs. I lived in fear of my dad. And it was considered Biblically supported, even demanded, that that be so.

I’m 33 and still working on the resentment.

Guess what, joe and jersy, Proverbs 22:6 is wrong. I was “trained in the way”. And I departed.
[sub]What? Me bitter?[/sub]

[Homebrew]

To be honest, I feel like I should have thrown in some God Damns and Mutherfuckers in there somewhere because it didn’t really capture the depth of my emotion that well.

[Waverly]

Belts. shudder At least now they make them elegantly simple. In the ‘70s they could be monstrous affairs, 4 inches wide, half inch thick, and with a buckle so substantial it had a second tang. Probably didn’t effect me much one way or the other, but it certainly didn’t keep me from being a wise-ass.

[gobear]

Non, now, Jarbaby, you must remember that Joe_Cool and his lovely consort are Justified and Sanctified Lambs of God [sup]TM[/sup] and therefore far above the no doubt tainted moral standards of mere unwashed sinners like us. Because they are the anointed of the Lord, they can whip the love of Jesus into their offspring and teach them that the fear of God-as represented by their parents-- is the highest joy. Besides whipping your kids until they have bloody welts is the merest zephyr of love comapared to the punishment that they ought to mete out to disobedient children, to wit, stoning to death.

Praise God.

[tiny_ham]

I’d better tell my parents, the church elders, that they raised my sister and I wrong.

[GingerOfTheNorth]

My ex threatened my son with a belt, and smacked him exactly once. The boy still flinches when we raise our voices suddenly.

He’s eight. I hope he’s not fucked for life.

[nswgru1]

TEEHHEEEEE…once you grow up and realize there’s a fucking difference between consensual, adult submission and beating a child who has no recourse but to take it, maybe it will be less funny to you.

It might be but I doubt it. Perhaps when you grow a fucking clue you might be able to identify humor. I doubt that also.

[Miller]

Everytime you quote the Old Testament, I’m going to come right back at you with LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, because THAT IS THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT.

True, but in all fairness, they aren’t talking about beating their neighbors with belts. Just their kids. So biblically, they should be A-OK.

[gobear]

I’d better tell my parents, the church elders, that they raised my sister and I wrong.

Of course, it was wrong, even sinful. Theyraised you with love and caring, andso you tuirned out to be a good, caring person. But as Joe_Cool and his blushing bride-to-be, can tell you, being good is not what God wants. He wants obedience, and what better way to produce the desired result but fear and pain?Now, of course, you will say that’s crazy, and so would I, but then we are not the paragons of devotion, purity, and holiness that they are. Does not the Bible say, “Spare the rod and spoil the child”? (it also says a great deal about mercy and forgiveness, but since the JC and His bride-to-be choose to ignore those passages, so must we.)

[Guinastasia]

I still say you should spare the child and spoil the rod.

[tiny_ham]

man. Rod gets everything.

[roadrunner70]

I’ve been beaten with belts, fists, a leather golf bag strap, the obligatory wooden spoon, and once, and aerosol can.

It wasn’t fun.

My baby (8) is writing sentences tonight, as punishment for not following the rules. As a parent, I’ve been just as pissed at him as any parent can get at their child, but a beating just isn’t gonna happen at my house. The saying “this is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you” just isn’t true, IMO.