This made me laugh. Did you yell this as you were typing? And did you hit the return key extra hard to prove your point?
Heh, I remember when the right used to call the LEFT shrill. The right certainly has taken over that mantle these days.
If you think Iran won’t work with them while thinking “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” you’re certainly deluded yourself.
No he didn’t. Joe Lieberman corrected him.
No, there haven’t.
No, actually it doesn’t prove shit and has nothing to do with Iraq or the Iranian state. Thank you for playing, though.
The FACT is that aQ and the Iranina state have no working relationship and it was breathtakingly ignorant for McCain to believe that Iran was training aQ operatives. It is SHAMEFUL that I am better informed about Iraq than John McCain and it should bother you too.
Iran hates Sunnis more than it hates the US. They would ally with the US against aQ before they would ally with aQ against anything.
I’m glad to see there is at least a little reasoned discussion going on now, but I am sad to say that a lot of the posts in this thread look like a liberal Freeper thread. We’re better than that guys.
Which they (Iran) actually did when we went into Afghanistan.
If John Kerry’s Viet Nam war expierence didn’t make him the better candidate, how does McCain’s Viet Nam war expierence make him an expert on these things.
Pakistan?
What is wrong with Iran.? Bush listed his axis of evil states. Then attacked the first two. Why does Iran think it has a stake in keeping us bogged down in Iran. ? Because they think that if they actually could win in Iraq ,Iran would be next. If I were them I would do everything possible to prevent the US from winning. They have not come close to it.
Of course the majority of insurgents are from Saudi Arabia anyway. They are financing the fight. Why don’t we talk about that. ?
This is what AQII has to say about Iran.
July 9 2007
“Annihilate” is not a word typically associated with a good working relationship. Additionally, AQ has threatened all Shiites wherever they live in a thinly veiled threat against Iran. Additionally, AQII has specifically attacked the holiest of Shiite sites to make it’s point clear.
In fairness to McCain, however, it may not have been the dumbest thing said by an American official in Iraq yesterday. Cheney once again tied Iraq to September 11.
Well Mr. Moto? Any thoughts on Captain Lance Murdoch’s post above? Are you still deluded enough to think that there is a love fest between AQI and Iran? Or will you admit that maybe you were talking out of turn?
Well, see, I’ve always been puzzled by the notion that McCain was a great military guy. He flew a jet, got shot down almost immediately and spent the rest of the war in a shithole NVA prison. That would seem to define “bad pilot” or “victim of extremely bad luck”, but not great military man. Now, nobody is going to take away from his ability to survive prison camp, me included, and in fact I personally know (and used to work for) and respect the former Colonel who was the longest survivor of that hell, so please don’t start ragging on me.
Clearly you don’t know what you don’t know.
Yup it’s not a mistake, it’s what McCain believes:
Statement By John McCain On Fifth Anniversary Of Iraq Invasion
Sometimes fantasy is so much more satisfying than reality, that we believe it to be true.
Is that a known unknown or an unknown known?
I certainly find this to be highly questionable. I think that seperate Islamic factions that both claim the West as a common enemy can, and in fact have, set aside their differences enough to glory in shedding infidel blood.
**This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of September 11, 2001. That day, we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home. **
Cheney’s resemblance to Darth Vader aside, this statement is quite true. I see no reference to Iraq in particular in this statement, but I’ll have to concede that it was plucked out of a statement that included references to Iraq.
You know, if we really believed that Saddam HAD WMD’s (which was a safe assumption, since we likely SOLD them to him during the Iran/Iraq War) in the face of 9/11, I understand the precept for going to war, especially given Saddam’s frequent anti-US/Israel sabre rattling, as well as his endless efforts to incubate the notion that he did in fact “have something”, likely to keep Iran at bay.
BUT, now that we haven’t found anything, and the war is exposed as an episode of knee-jerking in lieu of aftermath-planning, then it’s time to go as soon as we think it’s a feasible move to leave the new government to it’s own provision of security and stability.
I don’t read this quote as linking AQ and Shia extremists in anything other than saying that both groups are radical extremists intent on damaging US interests. I don’t think it explicitly says that Iran is supporting AQ, but that Iran is one of the powers that is supporting radical extremists in Iraq.
And if you’re a Republican, you get a hard-on.
And if that doesn’t happen? How long do we wait for this happy turn? It’s been five years now, and I see scant reason for hope. How blank is this check you urge me to sign?
So you just ignore my above cite?
There was this news story from 2007. but I suppose you’ll ignore that as well.
If Iran sees an advantage to them in fostering instability in Iraq, they will fund Sunni and Shia alike and give them arms and training.
There is no reason that we should be surprised by this - unless, of course, you’re so closed-minded that you think that the Iranians think in only religious or ideological terms. There isn’t any reason to suppose that.