Either Obama or Clinton could easily make mincemeat of McCain in debate, but so what? Gore and Kerry both made mincemeat of W. Didn’t make a damn bit of difference.
ETA: actually, IIRC Gore’s handlers instructed him to pull his punches in at least one debate. Kerry scored bullseye after bullseye, though, but it was never more important than windsurfing.
Hey, that’s unfair. I don’t think McCain is a creationist.
Make that mammoth meat.
In 1972 Firesign Theatre had an album about a president running, with his major asset being that he’s “Not Insane.” It appears that Mr. Moto’s only talking point for the presumptive Republican candidate is that he’s not literally an idiot.
And so truth imitates fiction again.
Nope - it would be a judgment formed in ignorance, and that isn’t fair.
McCain has four kids ranging in age from 16 to 23 (plus three older ones). One would hope that with four adolescents coming of age in the last ten years he would brush up on the basics of sex education, especially if he’s the type who believes sex education is something that should be learned at home.
But that’s not the point. There’s no way on Earth that John McCain doesn’t know that condoms help prevent the spread of HIV. But if he says so, it pisses off everybody. The religious nuts don’t want him to acknowledge it, and it confirms to the non-nuts that he’s foregoing effective interventions just to keep the nuts happy. It’s a tough spot, but that happens when one denies reality.
Because he might possibly be wrong? How does he know that government shouldn’t play a role unless he understands it? Or do you think the Bush policy of “I don’t know anything about Iraq but I’ll invade because Jesus told me to” is good?
I think these faith based positions have screwed the US up enough for the past 7 years. (By faith I mean ignoring the facts, not religious based.) Plus Mr. McCain, the author of McCain Feingold, hasn’t always been a fanatic about small government, has he?
I think he knows plenty about this issue. But if he admitted he did, and came down on the abstinence side, he’d be made to look stupid by the press, and if he came down on the sex education side he’d be in trouble with the yahoos. This kind of thing is what happens when one is a hypocrite.
No, this is what happens when one isn’t very good at it. He’s an amatuer, he only recently succumbed to ambition, he doesn’t have his chops down. Your truly professional, weapons-grade hypocrite can lie out of both sides of his mouth and lob insinuations with his asshole, all while chewing babies and kissing gum.
My ex. One fine day I was working on the plumbing and I had to take a wicked shit. Since the water was off I didn’t flush ‘her’ toilet after I left a big snaky “s.” She accused me of saying this meant she kept a filthy house. I shit you not.
Actually it’s not really true that Kerry beat President Bush in the debates–that was only true “as reported on the SDMB.” If you look at polling at the time all of the Kerry-Bush debates were basically a wash. The first one was Kerry’s only clear margin of victory in the polling, and none of them had a major impact on the election. I can’t remember the polling on the Gore-Bush debates, but I don’t remember them having much impact on the election either way.
Elections aren’t decided by debates in this country. There was a time when debates where much more important than they are now–but even then (thinking back to the Lincoln-Douglas debate era) they weren’t really all that decisive. Most people thought Lincoln held his own in those debates but he still lost the election.
But what really interests me is this thread itself. It’s the thread of someone who has been home googling stories about McCain to try and find something embarrassing, or someone who is, in fact, signed up to some sort of Obama-ite mailing list that sends out links about the opposition to disseminate throughout the internet. There’s no way this OP found this article “in good faith” by innocently perusing the net. This year old interview isn’t featured in any major news outlet right now, precisely because it is a year old.
This is the result of a partisan hack, a mindless fool who believes Obama is a representative of everything right and perfect and [Whoever Obama is running against] is a representative of *everything] wrong and evil. This is a stance that hasn’t wavered, whether Obama is being compared to John McCain or Hillary Clinton.
The truth of the matter is John McCain is a flawed man, he has said things which can be construed as dumb–he’s probably even said genuinely dumb things (I don’t think anything he said in the interview is dumb, just politically noncommital–the very fact that it has never become a big controversy in over a year’s time shows McCain came out of that interview pretty okay.)
I support McCain because across the spectrum of policy issues, his positions align closer to mine than either of the two remaining Democrat candidates.
I don’t think McCain is perfect, nor do I feel the need to spend my day googling up random articles or interviews about Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in order to embarrass them with things they said years ago.
With Obama, I don’t need to google anything at all. I can just point out he’s a long time member of a racist organization–and I can say I don’t trust the man. I think he’s a black man with a sense of entitlement that hopes to “put one over on whitey” by getting elected to the Presidency where he will proceed to implement some of the most horrifying programs of wealth redistribution from white to black we’ve ever seen. I think most middle class Americans realize such programs are anathema to their well being and I hope they will vote against a racist like Obama.
But whatever Obama’s flaws, I’m not going to dredge stuff up about him. I’ll keep my comments on him relatively topical, and anything from his past that comes up will be things that have resurfaced in the media.
Unlike some posters who think of their candidate as some sort of religious messiah, I think of my candidate as a simple man. I don’t plan to sit at his feet or worship the ground he walks on. I don’t plan to say he is perfect because he isn’t.
But at the same time I’m not going to sit here and debate or argue with stuff that has clearly been datamined by a moronic Obamaite who has so many blinders on to Obama and so many delusional views about the other candidates I have to wonder if she suffers some sort of unhealthy obsession with the man.
Why dredge stuff up, when you can make it up?
The fact that you apparently believe the shit you spew is astounding.
This gave me the best laugh I got all day. Thanks, Martin! You’re hilarious. But also kind of scary.
Cite? What organization would that be? Please be advised that his church will not be accepted as an answer without evidence that it is, indeed, racist. Even Reverend Wright never said anything racist.
Cite that he’s a racist? Cite that he’s ever said or believed anything racist? You ARE aware that he is just as white as he is black, are you not?
No, you’ll make it up out of your ass instead.
It’s nice that you’re such an asshole about it, because you’re also wrong. The story was on the front page of http://digg.com/ when she posted it here. I have seen it floating around for the last month or so on various of these Web 2.0 sites. It has shot back up in relevance…wait for it…because McCain is now the Republican nominee. People think this is a relevant tidbit.
So, in fact, she may well have come across it “innocently perusing the net.” Not like that even matters to begin with. If you’re now going to take the absurd position that we cannot discuss things over a year old, you’re going to have to defend it with more than partisan hand-waving.
Are you quoting your own racist subconcious there, or did I miss a quotation of someone using the phrase “put one over on whitey”?
What, you never heard of the one drop rule?
Astounding. You think that HE is a racist. Simply astounding. Whereas there is no proof whatsoever that this is the case for Obama, the proof of your hate and vitriol is right here on a message board for all to see. Is it painful to be so stupid?
Ol’ Marto is a brain-dead sociopath. This is news?
Like half the IntarWeb he is also a rock-abbed ex-marine. He’s also never broken a law and believes that anyone who has broken a law should be executed.
He’s a fucking retard - remember when people stopped paying attention to reeder? Why this hasn’t happened to this fucking tard is a mystery to me.
-Joe
(apologies to the various loved ones of the mentally retarded)
That is true, he does belong to a racist organization, but I try not to hold his membership in the Senate against him.
I suppose it’s fine then to say that McCain is anantisemite who will do everything in his power to take money from the poor and give it to his rich republican constituents.
Originally posted by Martin Hyde
Wow! As a white man, I had completed fallen for Obama’s act. That is, until I read that he is just trying to “put one over on whitey”. Thanks for spreading the word. Now can you please tell me more about these “horrifying programs of wealth distribution from white to black” that he is planning? Can I assume that it will involve both reparations and huge increases in welfare, all paid for by confiscation of white-owned land?
He cannot tell you because Obama himself has yet to unveil anything more meaningful than “we need change…can we do it? YES WE CAN!”
Perhaps Barack will become more concise once the nomination is over. His platitudes sound nice, and Hillary and McCain sort of scare me, but I crave at least some substance behind the pink fuzzy clouds of promises of change.