Not so much faded as over-shadowed. The warriors always get better press. 
This may have already been addressed later in the thread, but I don’t care. I’m pissed.
Hoe, thanks for the brilliant display of ass-talking. Thanks for your erudite legal analysis.
Only problem is, you moron, is that you are DEAD … FUCKING … WRONG. You want legalities? You want U.N. approval? Well, guess what is the internationally- and U.N.-recognized government of Afghanistan? The Northern Alliance. Guess who is our ally in Afghanistan? The Northern Alliance. So, we are not illegally attacking Afghanistan - we are in Afghanistan with the approval of the legally constituted government of that nation, and we are aiding said government to put down a rebellion.
Of course we haven’t declared war on Afghanistan. We don’t have a beef with the Northern Alliance.
Go ahead. Look it up. Start with the U.N.'s website.
Sua
ok
I’ve been scolded by the admin. for abusive language.
I apologize.
allright then.
I am amazed by the hatred displayed by some people on this board. At the same time you people complain about foreign hatred towards you, you show utter and absoulute contempt and loathing for anything not American. I admit that there are some rational people out there and yes sometimes I write silly stupid things.
The truth is:
If you know what a man has done, what he was thinking while he was doing it, and what he now thinks of what he did, YOU CAN NOT HATE HIM!
Think about this before you start suggesting ways of execution for John Walker. If you don’t you will be in essence, A MOB.
This applies to everyone: Noone does what he does for the reasons he says he’s doing it.
Cite, please?
You’ve finally said something I can agree with.
Er, excuse me?
I say I’m posting this because I think you’re talking out of your ass.
But according to your theory, I must have some other reason.
I’m so confused…
Your reason for saying that Ferrous, would be; for you to feel better about yourself. To convice yourself that there are other people more stupid than you.
Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me.
As for citations:
And this one?
Short but direct!
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*Originally posted by gobear *
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And here is the Gung Ho hatemonger EJsGirl’s oppinion.
If this is not hatefull, what is?
By the way; Good one with the Craft-Matic, EJsGirl. Whatever that is.
Childish maybe, but no more so than his choice of a username, which is not only childish, but offensive. Especially a mere couple of days after the horrendous terrorist attacks in Israel. There was another one today, but the bomb detonated prematurely. Surely a person joining the SDMB on 9/12 with the username “WTCBomber” would be considered by many to be a jerk, and my opinion of Nailbomb is much the same.
It’s a shame this thread has gotten so far away from the OP. I thought the discussion about John walker was quite interesting. Just my two cents.
Back to the original post.
In my opinion JW did nothing wrong. He answered a call for arms by a government HE belived legitimate. He did so for religious reasons. At the time of enlistment America had not Assaulted Afghanistan yet. So he would not at that time be aware that his countrymen would so graciously invade WITHOUT DECLARING WAR.
This is to be done:
Ashcroft should shake his hand and say to him; “Don’t do it again!” to which Walker would reply; “No I won’t, Mr. Ass-croft”. Ashcroft would then say; “The name is Ashcroft!”, to which Walker would then reply; “I KNOW”.
Back to you.
Hoe. Those comments do seem hateful, but it would seem that’s because they view John Walker as a traitor to his country, not simply because he’s has views against mainstream America.
You, however, have gotten on here and made such memorable comments as:
Your first post:
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Your second post:
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and a little later:
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And you gave crap as backup to those comments. I understand that you’re parodying the OP with your first two comments, but you could have done a whole lot more to make clear why you thought parodying was appropriate.
You then wonder why people defend America while hurling invectives at you?
Personally I’m sitting on the fence in terms of the whole John Walker deal until I get a few more details. And if I disagree with one side or the other when I make my decision I’ll be sure to debate against them with a fair amount of politeness. Unless of course, they decide to be unfairly rude to me first.
At least Hoe doesn´t blindly quote the government-subventioned drivel CNN airs all day long…
Up until his parents spoke for him, I had the distinct impression he was one of the Taliban (translator, perhaps) who were trying to save their asses. The physical appearance would also suggest mor Afghan than American, although dress and beard can obviously be misleading.
1)Since you are so quick to attack typos like you did with the OP, what the hell does “belived” mean?
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The Taliban are not a recognized as a legitimate government of anyone.
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America did not assault Afghanistan. They retaliated against murderers that the Taliban regime was (and still is) protecting. For people who were assaulted as you propose, they seem pretty damn happy to have the Taliban gone.
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Or maybe JW wasn’t aware that he was befriending people who would “so graciously” protect those that would “so graciously” kill 3000 innocent civilians. By the way, if we hadn’t gone over there, how many more americans would have had to been killed before your thick skull realized that we had to put a stop to it.
Well, since we are not at war with the state of Afghanistan, nor its legitimate government then there is no need to declare war.
Wow. That’s pretty mature.
Or maybe he won’t resort to childish name calling and present his reasoning behind his decisions in a rational way. I hear that is a sign of intelligence.
Ah! I’d missed that. Thank you.
Ok, time to address some things.
First off, Nailbomb is a name I use on every message board I’m on and have for several years. I use it without thinking about it because quite frankly, I don’t care if it offends anyone, especially not now.
Send me a map of Afghanistan showing the vast amount of land controlled by the NA. Seriously. Find one. Prove to me the point and I will conceed it. Until then, I’m going to stick to my definition of the NA. The IRA also controls land, and according to the interpretation could very easily fit the definition of government, but are they?
Where did Bin Laden get his “vehicles” that he rode to victory with in '94? Were they Soviet, German, US? Anyone know?
America seceeded from Britain and won.
Taliban seceeded from the Northern Alliance and won.
South seceeded from the Union and did not win.
Northern Alliance attempts secession and appears about to win.
Apparently, our congressmen are all soldiers because they hold seats in government. However, a person who’s actually into debating and not insulting people has brought to my attention that a soldier is also someone who is a loyal, active, militant member of an Organization. So I guess some of the Boy Scouts do count as soldiers. How very interesting.
The Americans in Vietnam and Korea were holding weapons, which indicates that you missed the point of the quote from the Geneva Convention I used entirely. The quote stated that enemy soldiers who laid down their arms were then considered prisoners of war and were not allowed to killed, humiliated, or tortured.
Down to the original intention of my post: To show that people do things for reasons that they see as right. Everyone has a reason, and that reason to them is paramount. So John Walker is not some evil traitor who worships the devil and sacrifices puppies. He’s simply a man, doing something he believed in. To them, we are the enemy. As I’ve stated many times, I’m not joining them, if there were an actual war going on here, I’d join up and lay down with my machine guns of glory and all that other soldier crap. I’m just pointing out that America isn’t the benevolent country of good headed by God and steamrolled by the sales of small kittens without homes that people seem to take it for. We have to do shitty things to stay as a world power. Those actions will make enemies for us. Those enemies will have followers and a fifth column, people within another country’s terroritory who will attack when necessary. They will have people who agree with them. Are these people wrong? Not in their eyes. And that’s all that matters to them. He took a stand in what he believes in and quite frankly I hope we don’t kill him or Bin Laden. Then they’re just martyrs to their causes.
I declare this thread dead. I’ve said what I’ve wanted to say and I’m tired of defending myself from people who only want to believe that America’s streets are paved in gold instead of the blood they’re really paved with. I’m sure someone will copy and paste my comments here and try to make me look stupid, declare I’m wrong, yadda yadda and not back up anything they’ve said as I’ve attempted to do. In fact it’s those self-same people who yell cite and then, they themselves never do. Anyways. Some people you just can’t convince, and it’s not my job to continue to try.
Nailbomb
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-Flip Crowley during the Attica Riots.
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-Leo C. Rosten
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