Johnny Angel's Guide to Starcraft

I finally finished Starcraft, after a two-year hiatus. I got burnt out on it before when it got tough toward then end. But in replaying Warcraft II, I discovered that you could use CTRL to select all the nearest units of one kind, and CRTL + a number to hotkey those units to that number. I got through Warcraft II and the expansion and most of Starcraft without knowing this. So, this time, I happened to actually breeze through Starcraft. Until…

The seventh Protoss mission, which I remembered as being pretty tough last time. After I discovered that my awesome air force was out-classed by both of the Conclave’s camps, whose units I could just barely keep out of my own camp. I really did not want to have to start the map over and go through this whole struggle again. The Starcraft Battle Chest (did I mention it was $9.99 at Best Buy?) came with the Prima Strategy Guide, so I broke down and looked this mission up. Prima’s advice was a micromanagement nightmare – build these, take over this area, patrol this – and it was too late to follow any of it anyway because I was out of minerals.

Then I noticed that the map they included said “Destroy this Nexus.” What, that one Nexus was the `Heart of the Conclave?’ I sent my two-dozen fliers in, ignoring everything and making a mad run for the one Nexus, and blew it up. Mission ends.

If all I really had to do was blow up one building, why the hell didn’t the book just come out and say so? And then it turns out that I had completed this mission before, because I remembered the ending. I can’t imagine how I managed to do it, with no hot keys and not knowing which Nexus to blow up, but I can clearly see why this mission broke my will to carry on.

After that, all of the sudden I can build carriers, which made the rest of the game easy. Prima’s guide says that carriers are the most powerful weapons in the game, and that you should send a couple into battle whenever you have the chance. What they don’t say is that carriers Fucking Mop Up, and that you should send a couple Dozen into battle, and not bother with anything else. I sent in sixteen to take out the Zerg Overmind, and even at that, I was getting smoked, but this time I knew I really only needed to nork one thing, and when I found it, I made gibbs out of it in nothing flat. End of game.

In light of Prima’s bullshit advice, I’d like to offer my own, simpler strategy guide:

Johnny Angel’s Starcraft Strategy Guide

When the scenario begins, mine like crazy, and keep building proles until you feel quite sure you’re mining like crazy. Then start throwing up any kind of building the scenario allows you to build. If the enemy fucks with you, dispatch them with whatever troops you were given to start with. If they seem locked into a pattern of fucking with you, build a line of death with whatever defenses are currently available. Remember: four towers are better than one. Concentrate upgrades and troop building on your best available unit, which usually means your flyers. Most every scenario can be beaten with just flyers. They can go anywhere without regard to terrain, and they don’t get in eachother’s way. Upgrades can be slow, so build extra upgradeable buildings to cut the time it takes to achieve supremacy down considerably. Build 2-4 dozen and upgrade them to the fullest extent of the law, and hot key them. You may wish to have them sitting in places where they can defend your base while you wait. When you run low on resources, look for more. Sometimes this means smearing some other clan first, in which case, see below.

When you have enough units that you think you’re superbad, pick a spot and muster all your troops there. Now it’s time to wade into the enemy’s camp. Attack one target at a time with all units until it pops. Destroy immediate threats such as towers and shooters right away, and then destroy buildings that allow the enemy to rebuild a threat to you, such as bunkers, and lastly, whomp the shit out of any building that provides for upgrades before moving out of the area. If it’s a scenario where you really only need to destroy one thing, then probably you won’t be able to actually wipe anybody off of the map, so find the bullseye as soon as possible, and lay into it, damn the torpedoes.

In dungeon-crawl scenarios, just wander around, saving frequently. You’ll eventually fumble your way through them.

That’s it. I could go scenario-by-scenario, with maps, but this general scheme works for all of them – I’ve playtested it. Prima charges $20 for its relatively useless strategy guide, but you can have my advice for free. Hey, if you feel like sending me $5, it’s still a bargain.

By the way, none of this bullshit will work in multiplayer.

yah… Prima universally sucks, don’t they? just go to GameFAQs.com; it’s free and has better info. that way you dont have to get mad and do a veiled pit-oid rant. and you save 20 bucks.

Cheat codes work for me. :smiley:

Esprix

My advice: in multiplayer, DO NOT team up with any Korean players! They will backstab you in a heartbeat! (millions of Korean love Starcraft, and go to “PC game rooms” to play with their friends… so while You or I might be playing from home in our underwear, the Koreans you are teaming with are 3 or 4 friends sitting in a game room… as soon as victory is assured they turn on you!)

Hey, Johnny Angel, I’m glad you say “By the way, none of this bullshit will work in multiplayer,” because you’re very right. You don’t know starcraft until you’ve played on bnet. Let’s play sometime, it’d be fun. I probably spend about 3-5 hours a week playing on bnet as it is.

Astroboy14: In my experience, don’t talk about something till you know what you’re talking about.

  1. Generalize much?
  2. American goobers backstab at least as much as Korean goobers.
  3. American players play with friends too.
  4. Don’t play against the computer.
  5. Don’t play on BGH.
    Trust me.

I’ve actually been meaning to ask around the SDMB about this for a while, I’ve been dying to know if there are many bw players here. Let’s get together and have some virtual Dopefests! You know you want to… let your voice be heard! I play Starcraft and I’m proud of it!

I’ve never played online - it’d be neat! :slight_smile:

Esprix

Yeah, Starcraft is good (never new about that neat click thing to get all your same type units) but the true god of online games has gotta be Diablo 2. That game is the shit…

Oh yeah, I borrowed a quote from you to use as a sig, Angel. :smiley:

Dammit, it’s ‘knew’!

I play Brood War…not as much as I used to, but I occasionally play with friends. I used to be able to say with confidence that I could take any one of you, but now that’s not so likely…

Diablo II is really fun online, and Diablo II Expansion is even better. Can’t wait until it’s fully released!

This strategy, I feel compelled to share, also works for Age of Empires II. Get resources, build lots of shit, attack as soon as you can to paralyze the enemy, and then go in with 30 of your most powerful weapon maxed out and watch destruction ensue.

But then, the map is the key thing in AoEII.

I can say with confidence that I could take every single one of you at the same time in starcraft myself.:slight_smile: And I don’t even have a copy of starcraft any more. Just two copies of Brood Wars. I am pretty sure I didn’t even beat the game, but I did at one time get the secret level. (level 7 zerg you have to destroy everything in under two minutes I think)

You can actually just double click to select all the units of one kind. Its generally easier to just hold down left click and select all the nearby units. Theres even cloning where you select all spellcasting units of the same type and then use a spell. Then press shift on the icon at the bottom to remove a unit and repeat on a differen’t target to have a dozen spellcasters all cast a different spell at the same time. Which is also used at the beginning on your first four scvs to mine a little faster. Also theres hotkeys which you click on a letter to do commands or build things quicker. Always use attack move, never just move.

Sorry to bump a thread, but Sterra, you are ON. When you wanna play? 1v1 or 2v2? How many games? And when? Let’s do this. Get back to me. My AIM is whitelightninggg if you use that, and if you wanna get a game together.

Hi White Lightning! How are ya?

Now, in response to your somewhat rude post:

  1. I generally don’t talk about something until I DO know what I’m talking about! There are, of course exceptions (such as if I am drunk, etc.)… but in this case I DO, in fact, know what I’m talking about! As evidence, I present the following: I play Starcraft a lot (pretty much everyday), and often on Battlenet (where my record is something like 160 wins and 100 or so losses). I suck, but I DO know what I’m talking about…

Now, as to your other points:

1) Generalize much? Yes, sometimes, when I feel it’s warranted or humorous… why do you ask?:smiley:

2) American goobers backstab at least as much as Korean goobers. No, in fact, they don’t. Play on one of the Asian Gateways for a while (assuming you haven’t already) and I think you’ll see that this is true. And, BTW, aren’t YOU generalizing here? [sup]Hello, pot? This is the kettle…[/sup] One of my jobs here in Korea is teaching Korean university students English… about 50% of my students (and I’ll go ahead and generalize and say about 50% of ALL Korean university students) play Starcraft religiously. It’s EXTREMELY popular here! Look at the maps on Battlenet, and note how many were created here in Korea, that might give you a hint. As I said, they go to “PC game rooms” (which are EVERYWHERE here) to play with their friends… as I said, it’s vastly entertaining for them to pretend that they don’t know each other on Battlenet and backstab some poor sucker… Why? Well, cheating on things is deeply ingrained in Korean culture; Trust ME on this!

3) American players play with friends too. Yup, true enough… but not NEARLY to the extent that Koreans do…

4) Don’t play against the computer. Why not? Too easy? Too hard? I play the computer sometimes when I’m looking for a quick game… it’s usually an easier game than against a good human player, but sometimes I don’t have a long time to play…

5) Don’t play on BGH. Again, why not?:confused:

Trust me. Okey-dokey…:wink:

Wow! My last post was pretty snippy!!

Apologies, White Lightning! Deep, Confusion bow

No, I apologize. My post was snippier. I got offended because I’m tired of getting on bnet and hearing lame kids whine all day about “dumb hacking g**ks” and “ch*nks.” I didn’t expect to see that type of thinking on the SDMB and I guess I overreacted, not to say you would say those things, but at first reading it appeared to be in the same vein.

I know you live in Korea Astroboy14, and I know about the game-rooms they’ve got, and the sc TV shows they’ve got, but in my experience, I see all KINDS of US players whining about Korean backstabbers/hackers, and I’ve seen just as many American goobers as Korean goobers. Yes, I have played on the Asian gateways, I played on Asian servers before they instituted the gateway system for bw. I frequently play at very odd hours, so sometimes the only way to get a good game is to play Korean players. I’ve never had a serious problem with it backstabbing or hacking that can be particularly attributed to Korean players.

But, perhaps, that is due to points numbers 4 and 5.

The computer is easy. I’m not saying I can beat 7 computers by myself (I can’t, and I don’t see the point in doing so), but you’ll never learn to be truly good by playing 7v1c games, or even 3v5c games. That is, as long as you define “good” as being able to beat other players. You don’t learn strategy, timing, or the proper unit counters from playing comp games.

BGH is stupid. The people that play it [generalization]are, typically, on the whole, for the most part not as good as people playing regular Hunters, Temple, or other maps.[/generalization] You don’t have to learn how and when to expand. You don’t have to learn micro. You don’t have to learn resource management. You don’t have to learn anything more than turtle up, mass up a huge number of one type of unit, and wreak havoc. It’s dumb. AND the people that play it are of lower quality than those that don’t. That’s not to say that there aren’t good BGH players, but the higher echelon of bw players universally shun it. Which is why you get more hacking and/or backstabbing when you play BGH. My advice? If you want to learn the game, avoid BGH like the plague.

Anyhoo, Astro, I play almost every day as well. I’d love to play with you sometime. Give me an AIM, or we can set up a ‘play-date’ here. If you’d like.

Ah! Now that I didn’t know!:smiley:

OK, WL, you’re on! I’ll zip you an e-mail when I get home (I’m at the office right now…) and we’ll see if we can work out a time for a game… but as I said, I suck (I like to play, and have been playing for a coulple of years, but I just don’t seem to get much better at it!).

It’ll probably have to be a pretty weird time for one of us, though…:wink:

I’ve got no problem with playing at odd times, as I said, I usually do. For the time being, however, I’m going out for the night. I’ll be back late, so if you’re around, I’ll drop you a note, and maybe we can get it together.

This goes for Esprix and Sterra, too… or even iampunha and Monster104 too, or anyone else who wants to. Give me an email or AIM anytime, I’d love to play with y’all. Peace.

Thanks. Now there is coffee and snot all over my keyboard and monitor.