Pantsuit? Does anyone still wear those? Out here, dressy is a womans suit, which comes with business length skirt, or a dressy skirt and a ladies sportcoat. I haven’t seen a pantsuit on a woman under 60 in years.
I rarely wear ties. I wear slacks, long sleeved dress/casual shirt, and a nice sportscoat or blazer. I personally know quite a few judges and even served on the Grand Jury- few dudes wore ties. Yes, we did dress “appropriately”.
Another example of an “older” guy who can’t realize that times have changed. What if he inisisted all lady jurors wear long skirts only, no pants? Or to take it further, what if he felt there shouldn’t be any lady jurors? What if he also had outdated ideas about blacks in the US? I think a dress shirt and khakis is more than enough to sit for hours on end to determine if the guy being tried for masturbating in the library is guilty or not.
And what if he instituted slavery?! What if he supports Nazis?! And what if the earth became a firey orb and flew into the sun at high speeds? WHAT THEN!?! :rolleyes:
How about: what if he insisted that female jurors wear business appropriate clothing as well- if that includes a skirt suit with nylons, so be it. If that includes dress slacks with a pressed, well fitting shirt- fine. If he got on the case of a female juror for wearing flip flops to court, I’d be fine with that too.
I’m also going to pop in and agree that these things simply aren’t uncomfortable if they fit. It’s like all of my female friends bitching that their bras hurt so bad, when they are clearly wearing 4 friggin sizes too small (no honey, your 200 lb ass ain’t a 34 C- sorry). If my nylons are halfway up my ass and making it hard to walk, I need to just accept that my ass is bigger than I thought and buy a bigger size. If your dress shirts, ties, and jackets are strangling you- go buy a bigger size. Get fitted, it’s fun (or at least, that’s what I tell myself when I’m groped by the bra fitting lady).
They make ass bras?
C’mon, Lissa, we know you think anyone who isn’t wearing an orange jumpsuit looks good. 
Exactly. God. Dressing nicely doesn’t kill you, people, honest! Goddamn, I can’t believe some attitudes about dressing nicely here. I can understand living in a more casual area of the country and not needing a suit (or insert equivalent dressy outfit here) on a daily or weekly (or even monthly) basis. But I bet that if you look at photographs of people who live in your area from 50 years ago, they’re dressed a lot more nicely. What’s wrong with having pride in your appearance?
Business casual = shoes optional? I kid. I kid.
I own about 50 ties from my cubicle dweller days. Most of them are silk and expensive. I know how to tie them. There is no way I am wearing one to jury duty. I see the local grand jury more than any trial jury. There does not seem to be any dress code and it doesn’t seem to keep them from doing there duty.
I’ll let An Arky make my point for me.
To which I’ll append:
And they’re not just ubiquitous, they’re ugly!
There are times when I don’t think you’re far off!
Or yearly. Or any time since 2003, and before that any time since 1997, and before that…
But you betcha! I should rush right out and buy clothes to wear no place in particular so that I’ll have them in case I get called for jury duty by a judge who obviously ain’t from around here.
I love when people want me to spend my money on things that are useless to me. Maybe I should buy a pegleg and a cotton gin and a bicycle for my betta while I’m at it.
When you have a 200-lb ass it needs a little support ya know? They call them assieres.
Enjoy,
Steven
I don’t own a suit or a tie, don’t know how to tie one, don’t care to learn and don’t see how any of that has a damn thing to do with how seriously a person would take jury duty. I don’t mind the judge asking but his request would be ignored in my case.
What the hell is the point of a tie anyway? It has no practical function and yet some people seem to think you can tell something about a person’s maturity or integrity by whether or not he wears a rag around his neck? I see no sense in it. The day will come when neckties are seen as the same kind of ludicrous fashion anachronisms as powdered wigs.
We agree 100% on this. See my post #77.
Ha. You beat me to the powdered wig analogy. That’s what I get for skipping a page. And I thought I was being really clever too. 
Well- you were.
To keep soup from spilling on your expensive dress shirt. Though since most really nice ties are more expensive than dress shirts, and most necktied men tuck a napkin in their collar when they eat anyway, it kind of defeats the purpose.
Business casual works for me. Button long-sleeve shirt or a nice polo with slacks and conservative shoes is respectful enough for a courtroom in my view, but I draw the line at closing anything around my throat. I worked for years in an engineering department where I had to wear a tie even though no customer was ever likely to see me on the job. I loosened the knot most of the time so I didn’t feel as if I were being hanged (which may have happened to me in a former life). But when the VP came around and I had to cinch it up I was extremely uncomfortable.
As a juror one is expected to be attentive, and that’s difficult to do if one is struggling for breath. Fortunatley, the times when I did serve (three trials: one civil and two criminal) the judge was relaxed about dress. I don’t mean low-slung jeans or tank tops with underarm hair hanging out, but if a juror was dressed “decently” it was accepted.
Hmmm. Odd. If I was ever called in to do jury duty, I would certainly wear a suit and tie, at least until I found out what kind of case I was going to be put on. It would feel a bit disrespectful to be deciding the course of someones life while wearing hiking trousers and a ratty t-shirt, but fair enough if it’s an unpaid parking fine. In general, dressing up a bit more than might be necessary isn’t such a big deal - you can always unbutton and relax if appropriate.
As to discomfort - I have to agree that unless there is something odd about your anatomy, a collar and tie shouldn’t be particularly uncomfortable. The relief from taking your tie off at the end of the day isn’t dramatically different from taking off your underwear or your socks, so unless you also scorn those as too uncomfortable, whats the issue?
Ties being intended to catch soup - I’ve never heard of them having any function whatever, apart from decoration. I’d be interested of there is evidence they ever did anything useful.
It’s true that what you wear has no significant correlation with your intellectual capability or your ability to do a job. But when I meet someone wearing ratty sneakers, strangely bleached jeans hanging half-way down their ass over super-baggy underwear and a t-shirt that looks like it has been worn while painting a well-filled dumpster, it doesn’t suggest to me that they are an independent thinker, or totally focused on practicality over appearance, or whatever. It suggests to me that they are either irredeemable slobs or such fashion victims they would saw their own noses off in order to follow a trend.
Yeah, nothing says “independent thinker” like wearing a suit and tie.
To the best of my knowledge, no article of clothing or mode of dress says “independent thinker”. Suit and tie, saffron robes, kaftan made of recycled condoms, purple dungarees, whatever. Or do you have a special ‘I’m more of an individual than you’ T-shirt?
But you said
So you are saying that those people are following “trends” but wearing a suit and tie is apparently not following a “trend” and is therefore a sign of more individuality. If nothing is more a sign of independent thinking, then how can something be less?