Jurassic World - The Seen It Thread

I don’t think that every female character needs to be a badass Ripley type. But they showed her being a badass and shooting the dinosaur that was attacking Chris Pratt, but the nephews didn’t care about that, they were impressed by Chris Pratt looking manly and driving a jeep backward a few feet. Why undercut her badass moment like that?

And it might also be realistic for a woman to bugged about having kids, or told that she needs to relax for no good reason, but I don’t know why it needed to be included in the movie.

Yeah, I would wear high heels a lot more often if I had some that were apparently as comfortable and stayed on as well as hers.

But Hoskins wasn’t there secretly, he must have had some official business on the island. Was there some official military contract that was the reason that he was there, but he was also bribing Wu on the side? Since it’s been a few weeks now since I’ve seen it I don’t remember the details.

But the kids were already on their own, they’d been on their own for most of the movie. She could have died off screen, or she could have been carried away to her presumed death. To have the extended death that seemed fit for a villain was strange to me.

I think the frustrating thing is that it’s so close to so good. Some movies you would just have to throw the script away and start again from scratch, but I don’t think that would have been needed here. It wouldn’t have taken a complete and drastic rewrite, just a few changes like I listed in my previous post, and it wouldn’t have been perfect, but I think it would have been a lot better.

Yeah, they should’ve brought that super tranq gun from the Lost World. That took down the T-Rex easily.

Anyway, one thing that they implied and I was hoping to hear more of was that Jurrasic World wasn’t the sole purveyor of extinct animals anymore. That would’ve made more sense as far as the older kid being bored by dinosaurs and the push to create the I-Rex. If there was a Cretaceous Land and Ice Age Park out there to compete with, being the only one to create a whole new creature would’ve cemented you as the Disney World of dinos. Maybe something they could bring up in the sequels.

…your previous post has A LOT of changes. You WANT it to be good… but it isn’t… it’s pretty far from good.

Because it’s funny.

Just saw it.

I’m stunned that it was only OK. Not good, not bad, definitely not terrible, but also definitely not great.

I thought it would be much better. I was bored a lot and very distracted by how bad the special effects looked. The dinosaurs looked very fake. I’m surprised it looked so bad.

This was a disappointment to me. I had higher hopes.

I registered an account with this forum (after lurking) just to reply to this thread – apologies if I make any accidental mistakes in netiquette.

I hated Jurassic World. I don’t think I got a moment’s pleasure from the film. I grew up with Jurassic Park - I think I saw it for the first time at the age of four years old, and I spent most of my childhood rewatching it with friends. I remained fervent in my desire to be a paleontologist well into adolescence, and while I’m not currently on a digging-up-dinosaurs career path, I am doing evolutionary biology work. Jurassic Park was the first film I ever saw that showed scientists experiencing a sense of raw wonder at the beauty of the natural (and man-made) world - the characters of Dr Grant and Dr Satler were the first "scientists’ I ever encountered as movie heroes, and are actually quite rare still in Hollywood depictions of scientists - the evil BD Wong type (I can’t even remember the character’s name - the type is so boring, and the character so forgettable) is more common.

Lost World and JPIII were forgettable sequels, although Lost World had, to my mind, the best velociraptor scene (the aerial shot of them walking through the field at night, being taken down one by one - spooky!).

What I hated about Jurassic World:

1.) No characters are anything more, or less, than a “type”.

BDH’s character is the icy corporate woman who needs a strong man to teach her about love (and needy children to teach her about the importance of motherhood). There’s the obnoxious teenager and the whiny child; the mercenary is an evil mercenary, the CEO is an arrogant corporate type, the geneticist is a hubristic scientist turned mad after years of playing god, etc. Chris Pratt, who is as likeable a movie star as I’ve ever seen, couldn’t salvage his character, who was arguably the most ridiculous figure in the entire movie. Actually, the only character who intrigued me at all was the CEO, because I thought it would be refreshing to have the big businessman turn out to be the dashing hero of the film, and he was genuinely funny. And then they blew him up.

2.) Every scene contains a reference to a previous film, and every scene attempts to make us feel what we felt when watching that earlier film.

There are references to all three previous films in the franchise; to Jaws, to Alien, to Aliens; to screwball comedies and battle-of-the-sexes Katharine Hepburn films; to Indiana Jones; etc etc etc. The film never tries to innovate, to make you feel something genuine that comes out of its own plot, its own characters.

3.) The film fails to recapture what was magical about the first film, and overdoes what was boring about the two sequels.

What made Jurassic Park /work/ for me as a child was the depiction of the dinosaurs as fascinating, dangerous, unpredictable animals - as forces of nature that human beings thought they understood, in their hubris, but in fact neither understood nor controlled. Yet the dinosaurs always remained, fundamentally, animal. Even the velociraptors, in their wily intelligence, seemed more animal than monster; the T-Rex scenes are so fabulous because you can see the dinosaur trying to figure out what the jeeps are, and so on. My favorite scene in Jurassic Park is probably the scene where the scientists see the brachiosaurus for the first time and are blown away by the animal’s beauty; or Dr Grant hugging the sick triceratops. The dinosaurs are dangerous, but they’re not trying to kill every human on the face of the earth for no reason. The dinosaurs in Jurassic World do not act like animals. The Indominus Rex at least has an excuse for being nothing more than a movie monster, because it was created to be a movie monster, but the pterodactyls/dimorphodons were beyond plausibility to me. They’re described as being territorial - and yet they abandon their territory, fly long distances in pursuit of fleeing humans, and then attack everything in sight without regard for predation. It’s violence without motive, and it makes the dinosaurs animals no longer, which takes away the magic and the awe.

4.) The Chris Pratt character is a huge missed opportunity.

I knew I was going to hate at least 75% of the film before I saw it based on advance reviews, but I went anyway because I find Chris Pratt charming and because I love velociraptors (or, anyway, I love the large raptor-type dinosaurs that might more accurately be called deinonychus or utahraptor - you know what I mean). Then, too, I’m fascinated by large animal training and I know a little bit about it. I am here to tell you that the film got nearly everything WRONG about large animal training. There were obvious, shameful mistakes - Chris Pratt uses a clicker, for instance, but instead of using it as it is used by people who train lions or orcas or other large animals in the real world, as a marker that’s paired with a reward during operant conditioning-based training, he uses it as an attention grabber. Then, too, Chris Pratt acts in a way that is contrary to all animal handling I’ve ever been taught while working with dogs or horses - he is noisy. He shouts. He is tense, nervous, jumpy. His posture is stiff. He radiates nervous aggression in all his interactions with the raptors. The people I know with the best rapport with dogs and horses (and I am not among these people - I have only observed) are still. They are sparing in their motion, their use of their voice. They command attention because every gesture and sound is worth listening to, and their presence brings calm.

5.) The film is joyless.

None of the characters are likeable. None of them. What’s the fun of watching a movie if you don’t like any of the characters? Watching them all get eaten. They don’t all get eaten. They kill off most of the raptors. I was rooting for the raptors at the end, and I didn’t even get to watch Blue eat Bryce Dallas Howard.


The only complaint I don’t have is about the stupid high heels. I went to college with a woman who used to wear high heels on the treadmill because she’d shortened her achilles tendon by never wearing flats; after seeing that, I didn’t even need to suspend disbelief about BDH outrunning the 'Rex in stilettos.

It’s been almost two weeks and I now realize something.

It was a total crap movie and not even OK. I’m totally shocked. I thought it would be way better. It comes down to the below points, many of which a lot of you have made.

  1. The special effects are terrible. From the first dinosaur all the way through, they looked so bad to me. I’m not a special effect nut. I just want things to look pretty good. I figured 22 years after the original, it would look great. It didn’t.

  2. The characters are boring. No depth.

  3. The plot is boring and unengaging. I did not care what happened and I was not surprised or thrilled at all.

I can’t believe it is a hit. What I saw was a total disappointment and just a crappy movie.

My biggest problem with the movie is there were like dozen nuggets of plot threads that all went unexplored. The divorce stuff, the brother blowing off his girlfriend in the beginning, the out of the blue violent death of a character who didn’t deserve it etc. It was clear that like different scripts were all combined into one and pieces that probably paid off in those originals got lost in the final one.

Hoskins was there to oversee Chris Pratt’s Magical Raptor Show. The Raptors were stage one of the program to weaponize Dinos. That is why Pratt was trying to get them to follow commands. What Pratt and the management did not know was that Hoskins was also working with Wu to create I. Rex and use that as the base for a new generation of Dino Soldiers. The soldier sized I.Rex was what was on the screen in Wu’s lab when the main characters came looking for him. That is also why the I. Rex had the ability to camouflage and hide from thermal imaging, as well as its high intelligence. Those were intentional features for its life as a soldier and not the genetic afterthought that Wu was claiming to the park owner.

I just saw Jurassic World yesterday (I know, I know) and Hoskins’s place in everything is ridiculously complex. At various times, he’s implied to be…

  1. A member of InGen’s board
  2. An InGen liaison to the US Military on the Raptor project.
  3. The head of InGen’s PMC (Private Military Contractor) division

For all we know, he’s all of these things. That said, god damn is Jurassic World a good movie! I loved it. Most of the complaints made in this thread were explained on screen. I don’t get the problem some had with the plot.

People don’t pay attention and then complain it’s the movie’s fault.

Saw the movie tonight. Overall, I enjoyed the adventure, but there was a lot of stupid and a lot of unexplained hanging chads.

I agree the characters came off more as caricatures. The really awkward interaction of the duo at first was unnecessary. So they went on one date and didn’t hit it off. Sounds like a mutual moved on thing. Then they’re both odd interacting later. She over formalizes when they clearly have talked before, and he acts like he’s still trying to get her in bed, when clearly he didn’t like her.

Still, I enjoyed it as a whole.

Yep.

Because guests want to see the dinosaurs eat meat. Hunting would go over really well if they could swing it as a spectator event.

They had some rocket launchers, but there was still a great mess in that scene in their tactics.

No, there are 3 raptors circling the humans. Then Chris Pratt does his thing with Blue, then the IRex shows up. Blue gets knocked silly, the other two raptors engage. IRex takes them both out just in time for Blue to come running back around the corner, and then the T Rex engages.

I thought she looked like a young Sandra Bullock.

BD Wong’s character said that some tree frogs have been shown to be able to reduce their infrared output, and they used tree frog DNA to help it adapt to the tropical environment. Which doesn’t make sense, and is scientifically implausible.

Yes, those Raptors were clearly not well trained enough to keep them from turning on their handler, they’re nowhere near deployable in the field as an asset that won’t eat your own troops. Stupid. Maybe with a couple hundred years of controlled breeding for domestication.

I could see making smarter dogs making more sense than using dinosaurs.

Yes, they’re actually trying to train and control the raptors, that IRex would be a bigger hazard to you trying to get it to the conflict zone to deploy. Ridiculous. But testing out features to back engineer into smaller raptors?

Yes. How do you control how long someone uses it? When they come back? There at least should have been an emergency override return. They seemed intended for a paddock/large sector of only herbivores, which would at least keep them safe from deliberate attacks and most squishings. But there were still problems with the concept.

The cameras were on screen, they had the red X’s for the missing heat signatures. Remember, we didn’t know the I Rex could camouflage at that point.

There was a human sized door from the building. We see Pratt enter that door. The three turn for that building, and then the fat guard sees the dinosaur is between them and that door, and that’s when he turns around and runs to the big gate. And the other two do as well, but one of them is too close to the dinosaur.

Yes, that was odd.

More than that, we saw the Mosasaur early on. Plot rules mean we have to see the Mosasaur again. Seeing the Mosasaur eat someone who accidentally got knocked in checks that off, which leaves the surprise ending more so.

My problem is they have this big promenade jutting out next to the tank, and the Mosasaur is show leaping out of the water. Seems rather precarious. Yes, I know there was an internal tank barrier, but it still felt too exposed.

I don’t think any guests were left, they had all been extracted in the ferries. The hangar at the end is on Costa Rica.

Well, we didn’t actually see him completely munched, though the raptor is on top of him and chewing.

Lots of stuff doesn’t really make sense. Several things seem shoehorned in and not connected.

The Jurassic World trailer, imagined circa 1978:

Something ironic that was pointed out to me: Pratt’s issue was the idea of weaponizing the Raptors and the Heroes end up winning by Weaponizing two other dinosaurs.