I singled this part out, because I think the rest are just weasel words. I for one, do not believe that Shodan’s taking a “generic” shot a a poster he’s had sharp disagreements with in the past, that just happened to hit closer to home than he expected was a “happy accident” for him. Do you really?
Your first link shows a poster calling two assholes assholes. I’m not sure what the issue is with your second link…lying republican?
Concerning Emiliana’s post, which was pretty funny, she never mentioned any person/poster by name, nor did she quote anyone.
And the last one, total fail. Kobal2 made a comment about some poster’s anonymous nutty neighbor, not a poster on this board with whom we interact.
If you cannot see the differences between your examples and what Shodan has done, and now probably will continue to do, then you should rethink your moderator position. Wishy-washy is the last thing a moderator should aspire to.
This is no longer a community I want to participate in. I’ll check back next year and see if it’s returned to a level of social decency to make it worthwhile. Chalk up another woman out.
Where did I say it was unacceptable? I have absolutely no problem with anything you were saying in that thread, either as a moderator or as a poster. I’m just saying, the insult didn’t come out of the blue. There was a fight going on in there already, one you were enthusiastically participating in.
Yeah, I really think that was a coincidence, and not an oblique reference to a thread that’s more than a decade old.
You misunderstand my point. Kobal questioned why anyone would use “psych ward” as an insult unless they knew the other person had been in a psych ward. Those were two examples of people using the term in exactly that fashion.
Miller-You are missing the point. You cannot compare calling assholes assholes, or calling liars liars, to psychologically harassing a person who has issues most of us can’t even imagine or understand. Let me explain it to you another way Miller…assholes can stop being assholes, liars can stop lying, people with mental issues don’t have the ability to turn it off. Do you not see the difference?
Hey Shodan-We know you are reading all this, and most of us know that you know (did you ever deny it anywhere?) you said this shit deliberately, so why not apologize, and not go there again? It’s the right thing to do.
You knew your question was a rhetorical question when you asked it, margin knew it, your fellow posters knew it. Unfortunately, the mods can’t see it. So, I’m curious, since you’ve been given the green light by the mods, are you going to continue psychologically harassing her. If so, why? What the hell is wrong with you?
The comment you cited of mine pointed out Shodan’s history of lying, versus his attacking me for something I did not choose to have inflicted on me.
At some point, “fighting ignorance” has to take on those like Shodan, who has been corrected and informed and criticized for the same things over and over yet never corrects his statements. He has demanded cites but will not read them. He has been attacking rape victims in the same way for at least, what, eight years?
His eternal excuse is that, gee, he didn’t know. Didn’t see it. Musta missed it. At a certain point, he is responsible for his “ignorance”, though his attacks are so targeted that it beggars belief that he just innocently stumbled over that precise jibe.
He chooses to promote lies. He has proven it repeatedly. That’s the shield he uses. “Oh, gee, I didn’t know.” At this point, the only way he cannot be aware of the facts is if he is strenuously avoiding them. We’re not talking about mere *opinions. * His attacks on women, rape victims, and the various usual targets of conservative white men-----particularly when he ascribes to rape victims blame for what their attackers did-----are morally indefensible. They are bigotry. At this point, after all this time, these are choices he makes.
We—those of us who have been his targets----criticize his choices. He attacks us for who and what we are, for things we cannot change, and he blames us for what people DO to is. People like him.
And we lose another one. Thanks, mods. I do seriously think you should reconsider your decision to take no action. Is it worth the loss of valuable posters?
There is a bit of a precedent for keeping the pit a place where a privileged few can lie about and otherwise abuse others. Maybe all the flouncing will motivate another unique rule being implemented and ex post facto applied.
I know that you know that this is not a court of law. Evidence that is “pretty weak” does not even have to be a factor in your decision. And by your, i mean all the mods, since this was discussed behind the scene and you wouldn’t post your reply without a consensus or at least a majority of the mods backing this up. Your decision can be made from a single reason: Don’t be a jerk.
Shodan was suspended earlier this year for receiving multiple warnings. Looking at his posting history I find that circumstantial evidence supports the idea that he indeed did this on purpose, not as a reference to the old pit thread, but by simply connecting a poster with some piece of information he had lodged in memory. It would’ve have been as if I took a swipe at lissener* “how about that hack Verhoeven” or DrDeth “What about GoT? The series vastly improved on the books!” I don’t need spread sheets and a database to keep some superficial tab on posters. But ragging on someone for their taste in movies or books is vastly different from going after someone’s medical issues.
*I did flame him one in CS many years ago, and got a warning.
I made a bad call on this one. I got hung up on initial intent, which I still think is murky, and didn’t pay enough attention to the follow up posts, where there was no sign of contrition. If someone punches you in the face, and their reaction is, “So what?” then it’s not really that different from doing it on purpose.
After I post this, I’m going to give Shodan a warning for his post.
My apologies to the board in general, and margin in particular, for fucking this up.
Actually I signed on this afternoon to apologize to the extent I could, but it appears to be pointless. Nonetheless, my apologies to margin - I did not know you had been subject to PTSD to the extent you describe, and my question if you were was genuine. I intended my dig at you in the Pit to be no more than the usual insults. I am sorry that it hurt you as badly as it appears to have done.
I will try not to insult you in that way again, or anyone else.