Justice Department worse than Nixon?

Any law experts want to comment?

EDITORIAL: Menacing turn in Black Panther case - Washington Times

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ?

Oh, I see that a little piece of it is still around.
I wonder who the editor was that wrote the piece in the OP. He must be pretty good to still be around after 60% of his brethren got the axe.

The Washington Times is a right wing propaganda rag and not to be trusted. Among other things, if the Civil Rights Commission does indeed have a right to propound interrogatories on the Dept of Justice, which I find highly doubtful, then it can go to Court, likely get a Bush appointee as a judge just by random chance, and get an order to produce.

The DOJ answers to the President directly, and to Congress by oversight. I highly doubt that the Civil Rights Commission, if indeed it is trying to, has the authority to issue discovery proceedings to the Attorney General. The fact is that the party out of power, like during the Bush Administration, has about zero ability to oversee the DOJ.

Let’s see . . . Wikipedia, if not always accurate, is usually neutral (certainly more neutral than the Washington Times, and likely more accurate as well):

Sounds like just an honest difference of opinion within the Executive Branch.

For good measure I Googled on “civil rights commission new black panther party,” and I’m afraid the results are disappointing. There’s hits from the likes of American Thinker, Pajamas Media, Michelle Malkin, etc., but no credible sources. Try it and see. Sounds like a nonstory.

I remember that the original Black Panther Party eventually became an outright criminal organization if it hadn’t started out that way. Far right wing nut David Horowitz was a member and claims that he was oblivious to all the crime and guns until another white member turned up dead. Me, I think I would have figured it out when the guns started turning up. Even in the 60s, no legit organization needed guns to protest.

Didn’t the BPs always have guns? I was a kid in the 60s, but that’s all I ever saw, newswise, of them, from the beginning-Berets, black leather jackets, carbines…sort of, ‘since the white police aren’t doing anything for black folk, here we are, and these weapons, in addition to being weapons, mean that we aren’t easy pickins.’ Of course, who knows what they were doing when not on display. I don’t remember any of the other junk, don’t care… Point being, the guy must have been an idiot to say he didn’t know anything about guns.

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Meh. The Black Panthers went the road of all non-professional police forces (and plenty of professional ones). Power corrupts, after all. But black people in the cities were more often victimized than protected by the white police force at the time. The need for a organization that dispensed real justice to and among black folk was incontrovertible, and in a lot of places, the state wasn’t up to or interested in the job.

–Cliffy

Keep moving folks. Nothing to see here. What’s a little voter intimidation among friends. It’s not like people are getting killed. The Great Speechifier has it all under control. Move along now.

It’s not just worse than Nixon. This is worse than HITLER!

Agreed!

Maybe we can look forward to some White Nationalists using the same tactics in 2010.

I can’t wait for all of the Dem excuses for losing election.s… this Tuesday may even give them a chance for some practice.

I don’t remember exactly what his beef was, and I don’t want to misrepresent what his history and change of mind was all about. My recollection is that he didn’t know they were involved with crime. I am too young (don’t get to say that much) to remember when the BP started displaying their guns. I do remember in the early 80s when the JDL (Jewish Defense League) started displaying guns and remember thinking that couldn’t end well, and indeed, Kahane was gunned down, as were many members of the BP. I didn’t walk in the shoes of any of these people, but it strikes me as logical that the most likely way to get shot is to be known for carrying lots of guns. (I am in favor of laws allowing ownership, but don’t own myself.)

Our lives are going to be lived and died closely related to what we spend our lives doing. Just seems to follow to me.

In any case, the New Black Panther Party is not an institutional successor to the original.

Regardless of what party those imbeciles belonged to, there tactics, and the subsequent actions of Holder and the 15 Dem congressmen who voted to look away is reprehensible. The fact that those on the left on these boards are defending the decision is astounding. But, I guess it should be expected.

Is that like your new buzzward since Obama’s coronation, magellan01?
You used it once last year, and once this year, and not once in all the previous years back to 99?
What’s piqued your interest in using the term? Have things just gotten more reprehensible lately, or do you have some sort of ‘hidden’ agenda?

Huh? What, pray tell, is your point? If I don’t use a word for a certain period of time I lost the right to use it? What caused you to post what you did? It makes no sense.

So no hidden agenda then? No faux outrage? You just discovered a good word, and it just happens that you find you like using it when the justice department is no longer run by Alberto Gonzales?
That’s like totally believable! :wink:

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m really not getting it.

Horowitz left the Panthers after Betty Van Patter, who he had convinced to join the Panthers, was murdered. She became the party’s bookkeeper, and had a fight with Elane Brown, the leader the Panthers, over financial irregularities, and then, not long after, went missing. Her body was found a few weeks later on the beach.

The case wasn’t solved, but Horowitz believes she was killed at Brown’s orders to keep her from going to the police about misappropriation of funds by party leaders.

That’s OK magellan01, no worries.

Indeed - the guy who filed an affidavit and considered it the worst voter intimidation he’d seen was a Civil Rights Lawyer: