Juvenile delinquent taught at a university

I don’t know if this is you attempting to make a joke but it’s spelled prophet.

Abagnale was a high school dropout, but not an idiot. He new what one can fake.

If you try to do the same thing with Chinese you will fail miserably. Can you yourself figure out why? You have some college degree, don’t you?

The funny thing is you’re apparently trying to make a point about how academics are easily suckered. You’re providing examples of people who accepted things they were told and didn’t check the underlying assumptions. And you keep using Frank Abagnale as an example to try to support your point - despite the fact that many of us have pointed out how questionable Abagnale is as a source.

You’re exhibiting exactly the kind of behavior you’re apparently trying to protest against. It’s the rest of us who are thinking critically and questioning the evidence to see if it matches up to the claims. You’re the kind of person who fell for Frank Abagnale’s lies and we’re the kind of people who exposed him as a fraud.

During spring break many students take introductory Scuba diving course leading to the Open Water Diver PADI rating. Do you think that those student would prefer an easy instructor who skips difficult questions and gives them a passing score even when they fail?

… are you now taking the position that science doesn’t work?

Also, how did economics get in there? Scientific research does not function under an economic model.

I think you would have a difficult time finding an undergraduate student who would prefer a challenging class where they learned a lot but made an F to an easy class where they didn’t learn much but passed.

Also, people on vacation take scuba lessons because they want to learn how to scuba dive. The vast majority of students in an intro level class are there because they’re required to be to meet graduation requirement. The students in the first class are invested in the quality of knowledge they receive from the course. The students in the second class (excluding the minority who are going to go on to be sociology majors) are not invested in the class, and are only doing it as part of a checklist to get a degree in the subject in which they are interested.

Is this supposed to point out that there may be competition between researchers when it comes to publishing?

That’s not shocking news.

I’m still not sure what the “Gotcha” catch is that the OP seems to be going for.

So sociology is not “real” because a person, without a PhD–but who was a quick study and successful impersonator in many fields, taught some intro classes?

As others have mentioned, wouldn’t the correct analogy with impersonating a pilot be conducting and publishing original research in sociology?

And the evidence says it’s unlikely he actually taught the classes anyway.

Maybe Catch Me If You Can should have been peer-reviewed for accuracy.

Sussed!

And I’d’ve got away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids!

I took Philosophy 101 taught by a grad student; she was unremarkable, because the course was unremarkable: it was, well, intro-level stuff. So of course a slim book by Descartes was on the syllabus; it’s there every year; and of course college freshmen who mundanely did the reading were then minimally competent to discuss the basics of I Think Therefore I Am with each other in class, leaving her with little to do.

There is also a competition between automotive shops in their normal mode of operation. What is the peculiarity of competition between automotive shops in that strange mode which I described earlier

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Why did not he teach an introductory flying course (that is flying single engine two-sitter Cessna 150)?

No it would not. To fly passenger jets one needs 4 years of study and a B.S. degree. This the same as the minimum requirement (in terms of years of study and degree) to teach college courses. Airline pilots do not do anything original. An analogy with original research would be finding new routes through mountains flying earlier low ceiling airplanes. In aviation such things are in the past.

Here’s a funny thing. I just checked in the book Catch Me If You Can, and Frank Abagnale claims that on at least one occasion he did take control of a jet while the real pilot took a break. The co-pilot remained in the cockpit and apparently did not notice that Abagnale had absolutely no flight training.

The episode you are referring to was as follows. He wrote that the pilot offered him to take pilot’s seat. Abagnale took it and immediately switched the airplane to autopilot. This is not exactly flying the airplane, right?

I don’t know why I am doing this.

The culmination of flight school is flying a plane.

The culmination of a Phd program is not teaching. They don’t even train candidates to teach. They might throw you to TA or teach an intro course, but you certainly are not being instructed on pedagogy. The culmination of a Phd program is doing original research.

So, what are you looking for? That mechanics would have reason to bad-mouth their rivals for competitive economic reasons? Or, send business to their non-competitor friends? They could do that on Yelp and I wouldn’t be surprised if some do.

Why would he? I imagine flying on planes as a fake pilot is more fun and got him where he wanted to go. Are you saying Abagnale was incapable of teaching an introductory flying course? I’m pretty sure you can find smart, gifted instructors who can effectively teach basic concepts outside their area of expertise.

So Capt. Sully did not do anything original when he landed on the Hudson? I didn’t realize that situation is routine. I’ll also say I wouldn’t want Abagnale at the controls when a bird strike occurs and a water landing is needed.

I don’t think your analogy with finding new routes is apt. A airline pilot’s job–as I understand it–is to safely get a plane from point A to B, hopefully on time, in addition to whatever needs to be done in real time to accomplish that (dealing with weather or mechanical issues, for example). A professor needs to conduct research and hopefully discover something new or provide an original analysis. (again, IANAP or SP)

Did Abagnale ever get funding or publish original research?

What don’t you cut to the chase and tell us why you think sociology is BS. Some people here might even agree with you if you have a more convincing argument than that an imposter (may have) given some lectures.

If you want to argue that the peer review process has flaws, I’d even agree with that. I’ve seen pretty of BS.

And I’m sure many people here have had brilliant researchers as professors who were shitty teachers.

I’d say it’s closer to flying the airplane than serving as a TA for a couple of weeks in the summer is to being a university professor.

And what about peer reviewers?

And you think he could? Try it yourself.

Nothing original. Pilots did numerous water landings before. You are even always instructed by flight attendants where to find flotation devices.