Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election {No more on Guns}

Was addressing this to me by any chance a mistake?

I’m not even saying you are wrong. I just don’t recall blaming the Democrats for something.

Uh, no. You’re talking about entirely different groups of people. The more linguistically genteel amongst us who are inclined to vote for Democrats are already not voting for Trump because he’s a short-fingered vulgarian. The Democrats becoming more normal-fingered vulgarians is not really going to appeal. They probably won’t vote for Trump - they more likely just won’t vote.

Some of you seem to be imagining that just straight-forwardly cursing Trump’s name while calling out his numerous faults is going to ignite passion and engagement. But it is extremely likely the only people who are going to go ‘fuck yeah!’ are already committed to voting against him. Those 70-something pensioners in Racine, WI who regard Trump with disgust are not necessarily going to rally around the Harris campaign if they start calling Trump out as the rapey fuckwit he is in exactly those words. They’re just going to wrinkle their noses in disgust that the Democrats are joining Trump in the lowest common denominator pig-wrestling contest and declare a pox on both houses.

I don’t know, this all seems blindingly obvious to me.

The tone police usually have a well-established agenda and are not going to be influenced at the last minute by faux outrage at candidates/a party they already dislike.*

*just this a.m. an antivaxer on Twitter who’s been piously calling for politesse and an end to name-calling got pissed off at a scientist who calmly suggested he take some basic courses illustrating the scientific method, and told the scientist he was full of shit. :smile:

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time." -Frank Wilhoit (the composer, not the political scientist with the same name) Link: The travesty of liberalism — Crooked Timber

Did he? It seems to me that Clinton completely blew it by ignoring the rust belt and not letting Bill campaign for her.

It was her race to lose, and she lost it.

I’ll go further, and point out that it would make Harris come across a lot like Trump. That wouldn’t win any Trump voters; and it would lose some possible Harris voters. She needed to (and did, at least to anyone who watched her and not just right-wing descriptions of her) distinguish herself from that sort of politics; which a lot of people are thoroughly sick of.

And she has, repeatedly and vehemently, pointed out the dangers of another Trump administration.

She was able to step in so rapidly this year because she’d been planning for 2028 since at least 2021. I don’t think you need to worry that she’ll suddenly stop planning ahead.

Yeah, I get that. I just think the Democrats need their own version of Project 2025 if we don’t have it already. Not the weirdness, just the level of organization. It’s impressive in a shitty way.

Back in the 90’s, when a TV sports person was talking about how some sports team outplayed the other but lost, there was a one word rebuttal: “scoreboard”.

Ah.

Well, this year the Republicans fell in love (damned if I know why) and the Democrats fell in line (some also in love, but the immediate degree of unity around Harris was pretty surprising for that party). Maybe the degree of organization of the parties will switch around also.

The results from Dixville Notch are in and it’s a tie!

The returns from Dixville Notch have been rather spotty as a predictive tool for a while now.

They’ve never been a predictive tool. Literally no one thinks that they are. It’s just amusing that it’s a tie this year.

Well, you may want to alert some members of the media/chattering class.

And was rude, crude and hostile to his opponent; why, it’s almost as if that actually works!

I’m quite certain that a major reason that Democrats are constantly browbeaten about being “polite” is because being polite in politics is the path to failure and submission, and the people giving that advice know it.

You can be polite and not be a doormat. That could be said of just about everyone who spoke at the Democratic National Convention, including the nominee and her running mate.

Criticizing or opposing the Right in any way is being impolite. Especially if you point out anything they are actually saying or doing instead of lying in their favor.

And no one tried to undercut her. Despite the DNC insisting there would still be a full nomination process, no crowning the successor by fiat, there was a solid blue wall behind her and her emergency nomination was inevitable. I don’t think anyone ever said, “She’s the VP so of course she’s the candidate.” but I certainly felt it.

Fear is a pretty effective unifier.

As is, to be honest, a sudden rushing sense of relief.

To the right, maybe. But you’re not going to win them over with politeness anyway.

The left, and those in-between, the ones that matter, that’s a different story.