Ken Wilber explains ISIS

Is the Middle East is a shit pit of conflicted Blues with Oranges trying to manipulate and control them ? And do the Blues need to grow out of it ?

Mr. Qwertyasd, this is pretty obviously not a question with a simple factual answer. Please consider carefully what forum may be appropriate for a thread before posting. I’m moving this to Great Debates.

Colibri
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Where is this quote from? I’d like to see it in context.

I also want to know where it is, so that I can safely avoid it.

I would like to know what the Purples and Yellows think about this.

It seems to be some kind of hippie new age nonsense called Spiral Dynamics.

Every human society is neatly colour-coded, and they’re all planets of hats.

As a purple I can say it’s not bad.

Good username/post combo!!

Well the Purples are low-level shamanistic types, while the Yellows are quite advanced, and ‘integrated’ and shit.

It sounds like an interesting backdrop for an RPG or something. Problem is when people take is seriously.

http://rationalspirituality.com/articles/Ken_Wilber_Spiral_Dynamics.htm

Sorry I mixed up purples and turqoise. I always do that. I feel like a purple in the mornings though.

Now show me the part that talks about ISIS.

No no, he provides a simple basis which you use to interpret the complexities of the world around you. And ISIS are blues. They need to become Greens at least, or the Oranges will bomb the shit out of them until they go back to being Beiges.

All of this talk about ISIL’s barbarity is turning my pants brown.

You’ve seemed to have confused ISIS with the whole of the Middle East. Come back when you are not so confused.

It’s clearly all Blue from the Mediterranean to the Arabian Sea.

Using that scale, isis seems more purple than anything.

Either way, why does isis exist? I don’t know. The history of the region is beyond me. Personally I think of them like the Muslim equivalent of the kkk. A far right fascist organization that opposes cultural invasion from outsiders, has hierarchical social structures, authoritarian, etc. But no idea why that exists there. I used to think fascism was a thing of the past, but islamism and North Korea are both fascist movements. North Korea is more fascist than communist.

Why did you assume anyone had a clue as to what you were talking about in the OP?

Fascism must mean “something you dislike” since to apply this word to these two political ideas totally different is nonsensical.

So would fascism be somewhere between the Blue and the Orange - strong mythical elements, but a modernist approach also for practical reasons ?

I think Islam as a whole started to get into Orange territory during it’s renaissance years, and maybe in the early twentieth century, but that sort of philosophical development really threatens the existence of the monotheist religions so it has to slump back into the mythicist and magical thinking of Blue. It does make them useful tools for rivalries between Oranges, though. You just have to thwart too many people becoming Oranges and you can foster a whole bunch of Blues you can shove around the chess board.