Kill Bill vol 2..stay out if you haven't seen it. The ending

So QT purposely shut the door on a sequel?

Why would he do that?

He’s planning on a sequel in about 10 years. Elle Driver is alive.

But Bill is dead.

Or is he?

Or does she become a tighty righty?

If you sit through the end credits, it’s pretty obvious that Bill’s dead. When they flash “David Carradine as Bill aka Snake Charmer” the shot is of Bill lying face-forward on the ground . . . dead. The credits also show the main members of the VIPERS (I can’t remember if it’s the characters’ names or the actors’ names), they show each name getting a line crossed through it (like the Bride’s list) except for Darryl Hannah’s/Elle Driver’s: that gets a big question mark drawn through it.

Can someone put the damn DVD in and see if Sophie has an arm as she’s rolling down the hill?

If not, I’ll try to remember to do so tonight.

I don’t think there’s ANYTHING in that movie that confirms she lost a second arm.

I always figured she played ball as soon as Bee threatened her with further losses.

Actually, there’s one way I can imagine where Bill could return for a Kill Bill 3.

It turns out that The Five-Finger Stroke of Death (or whatever the hell it’s called) is a fraud. Pai Mei was playing a joke on Bea when he taught her the move. Bill was really just rendered unconscious for a short time. IMHO, this wouldn’t even be out-of-character for Pai Mei, since what we saw of him suggests that he was a Grade A asshole.

That’s making a pretty big assumption that a trained assassin never used the technique before.

I believe it was done this way to give QT the ability to bring Bill back should he need to.
If Bea had hacked him up…he couldn’t.

Except the movie is called “Kill Bill”, not “Almost Kill Bill” or “Stun Bill”. And I can’t believe you’re basing that on thinking the martial arts were “true”, and ignoring his name being crossed off at the end of the movie.

Why would QT ever want to bring back Bill? If he even does a sequel to KB, it’ll be the first one he’s ever done and he purposely left other elements available (Sophie, Vernita’s daughter, BB, and Elle) for him to work with.

I don’t think it would jive with the bond that Bea and Pai Mei apperantly developed. She was pissed at Elle for having killed him.

How the heck do you teach someone the five-star general of death? Did Pai order lots of pizza so Bea could practice on the delivery boys until she could finally kill one?

Good point. Maybe they make special CPR dummies for the martial arts market.

Ahh!

Another reason Bill may not be dead.

That’s what would make it so ironic. Bea thinks they developed this great deep bond, but really she was just another student, and Pai Mei’s “special lessions” were really just a private joke he had at her expense.

And yeah, I’ve wondered how the heck Pai Mei could teach something like the Five-Point Star of Doom. Pai Mei’s hilltop isn’t exactly an urban core teeming with people, and you’d think that a classified ad saying “Brutal antisocial martial arts master seeks volunteers to assist in teaching a fatal move to his favorite student. Job title: test dummy” wouldn’t get many responses :smiley:

He’s a thousand-plus year old martial arts master.

You think a) in all that time, with all those students, he can’t tell if someone’s doing the technique right without a victim, and b) someone using said character is going to be put off by a realistic difficulty in teaching the technique?

OK, did so - Sophie clearly still has her right arm as she’s rolling down the hill to the hospital. Now, fingers we can’t tell . . .

I don’t know if the teaching of the technique would have been that big of a deal. Pai Mei could have had Bea practicing on a dummy or something for months until he was satisifed with her technique at which point he could snatch a villager for her to test it on.

That seems like something he’d do - “Okay, I spent 6 months teaching you this move. You get one chance to do it correctly. If it doesn’t work, I’ll use it on you.”

I don’t think he’d teach her a fake technique if only because he doesn’t seem like the type who would have wanted his reputation to be tarnished by having less than perfect students out there.

Or, y’know, maybe she practiced on cats or something.

That’s stretching it.
I just watched it again.

Why did he get up and walk? Nothing made him.

She was mostly laughing when she was saying thank you.

It’s a QT out I’m telling you.

Bill is dead. He knew he was dead. He didn’t bother postponing the inevetable. And how long could he postpone it, if taking 5 steps triggers the final death? A day? Two? Until he falls asleep and has a few hypnogogic jerks? Until Beatrice got tired of waiting around and moved his legs for him?

And OF COURSE she was laughing! She’d just gotten everything she wanted. More than she ever hoped to get.

She’d gotten her vengence on Bill and the Deadly Vipers, and, best of all, she’d gotten her daughter back.

If Tarantino wants to make a sequel, there’s no need to bring Bill back to life. There’s Elle, there’s Li’l Miss Green, and there’s Sophie. 3 people who did, in fact, survive the movie, and have reason to want Beatrice dead.

Not only isn’t it neccessary, its against the conventions of the movies he’s referencing. In revenge movies, the wronged party gets their revenge. In martial arts action movies, moves like the 5-point palm exploding heart technique exist. Having Bill survive violates the first, and having the 5-point palm be a fake violates the second.

My big plan (since I love crossovers so much):

Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez are good friends. They should have a crossover film: Elle Driver teams up with Agent Sands, Johnny Depp’s character from Rodriguez’s Once Upon a Time In Mexico, a recently-blinded corrupt CIA agent and assassin. You could have two blind bad-ass bastards, out for revenge. I would LOVE to see that movie.

Either that or we just have Nikki Green trained by Elle (woman with no eyes) and Sofie (woman with no arms)… sounds like a Shaw Brothers movie already!