Kingdom Hospital 4/8/04

This was the first episode in which I was actually scared while watching. The author’s walk down the hall of the Old Kingdom where the children were screaming in pain really creeped me out, as did the serial killer’s vision of the doctor who was looking for the child who had escaped his experiments.

Was the doctor sent by Mary or by the “good spirits” to save the psychic? Why was the headless corpse caught in the “other world” with the author and Mary? The vampire boy said that if the serial killer murdered the author while he was there, his soul would be trapped just like Mary’s. Did the headless man die while he was in the “other world”?

I really didn’t understand the head-in-the-bag scene. The doctor said he had no choice, and then decapitated the corpse, and sent the head to the woman he’s semi-stalking. Why? Am I missing something?

Elmer was taking advantage of the corpse’s passing resemblance to him to play a prank on the sleep researcher babe. “I committed suicide in an impossibly dramatic way because you rejected my advances. Not really – psych! Hahaha!”

The headless guy might be stuck in the Old Kingdom because of some connection he made with Mary before he died. (He was the guy who sat up during his operation and started chatting about angels. Maybe Mary invited him to come away? I dinna remember.)

Has the existing thread for Kingdom Hospital been pruned? I was looking for it earlier and it seems to be eluding me.

The other Kingdom Hospital thread.

I was really expecting the headless man’s actions to have an effect in the real hospital. You know, that he’d manage to get the locker open in one world, and the locker would also open in the other world and the head would fall out and wackiness would ensue. But that didn’t happen. I loved the choice of music for those scenes, though.

I must say, I have never so thoroughly enjoyed being hopelessly confused. :slight_smile: And I’m way intrigued by the Old Kingdom doctor and Paul as his assistant … what the hell is that?

Also, I thought Hook was a member of the Keepers? I guess I was wrong on that.

And for anyone who actually lives in Lewiston … did they actually use some location footage last night? That looked a hell of a lot like Bates to me (and I love the fact that Cancerman is the Dean, btw). The addition of the King Hotel amused me greatly, but c’mon, everybody who’s anybody in Lewiston stays at the Chalet on Lisbon Street. :slight_smile:

Oh no, Hook is definitely a Keeper – and well-placed in the order. It is strange that he wasn’t present at the initiation – I guess they left him out because they wanted to develop the Chrissy & Hook plotline in parallel.

You know what (trivially) bugged me? The inappropriate toast “To spirits – of all sorts.” With champagne? Whatever. Would have made sense if they were drinking diluted absolute ethanol from Hook’s private stock.

Speaking of alcohol… who was the fella that fell so far off the wagon, again? I was thinking that it was supposed to be the geologist, but it seems to me that he was too moneyed for that, and must be the health board bigwig that Dr. James mentioned. I was a bit distracted-- who was he exactly, and why was he down there? They seem to have set him up for a hell of a lost weekend.

Mr. Drunko was definitely the seismologist guy, at least I caught that much. :slight_smile:

Oh oh OH!!! And if Hook is a keeper, then that brings an even more interesting light to the oath not to believe in anything unscientific that Steg took, right?

Oh yeah, you betcha. But Hook isn’t really breaking the oath, in the context of the show. He “really” saw something, and is investigating it through “scientific method,” after a fashion. A “medium” heard a little girl in an unlikely place, and then he heard her, too. A repeat of the experiment is called for, right? Immediately discounting your own senses on the strength of “what everybody knows” is sort of superstition in its own right.

See if the old bat is actually on to something first, and if she comes up empty, then start looking into the possibility of heightened suggestibility brought on by working a twenty-hour shift, or lingering deleterious fumes in the elevator shaft, or whatever… :smiley:

Of course, you’d think that someone like Stegman would have no trouble at all adhering to such a trivial oath, right? I mean, it would take a lot to make him embrace a belief in the supernatural, right? Like definite contact with otherworldly creatures.

Something tangible, anyway, him being such a pragmatist and all. I mean, what is he, above being hard-nosed realist?

La la la.

Oh… another thing. Notice Hook seemed surprised to learn that Christina was “just coming out of a relationship that was… complicated”? Think it could be anyone we know? Another doctor? What was so complicated about him? Think this might be significant?

La la la.

You people who’ve seen the original are just plain mean. :slight_smile:

La la la. :stuck_out_tongue:

Can one of you who has seen the original tell us how closely they are following the plot?

And I’m still trying to get all the musical references in the names. Has anyone else noticed that our unconscious artist and the two “spirts” are Peter, Paul and Mary?

Sorry to take so long to respond… this thread dropped off my radar for a bit.

As far as the major plot points are concerned, Kingdom Hospital is (so far) pretty faithful to the original, while the show as a whole is pretty much totally different, if that makes any sense.

Most of the changes are additive. As far as the main arc of the story is concerned, obviously everything to do with Peter Rickman is new. The ghost-boy Paul is also a new addition, and there sure-as-shit isn’t anything remotely resembling Antubis in von Trier’s Kingdom. Apart from that, they’ve written a lot of additional material to give the American series a more “episodic” feel. New patients coming in, and bringing their own mini-plots with them? That’s all new. Major stuff, anyway, like the suicide-pact couple, Elmer’s drug-addict mom, etc. In the original, Mrs. Drusse has one special confident (who got a sex-change for the adaptation, becoming Lenny Stillmach,) who helps her to learn about Mary by communicating with her from the other side when Mrs. Drusse attends her deathbed. That scene is adapted closely enough that the American Drusse still brings her crossword puzzle book into it, even though the writers justhad the recently dead woman direct her to Peter Rickman’s room for the revelation, where the original had her working out Mary’s name as a more complex word puzzle in the margins of her book, with hints coming through the flashing fluorescents. The suggestion of a romantic relationship is there in the original, too, without regard for or comment on the same-sexness of the pair, ,ut that’s neither here nor there.) All the psychedelic freak out musical interludes are new, natch.

To give you an idea of how much padding has been added, everything that we’ve seen in the King Kingdom so far that is carried over from the von Trier Kingdom occurred in the first hour and a half of the show. The setup of the antagonism between Stig and everyone else in the hospital, his parking anxieties, Operation Morning Air, Drusse’s contacts with Mary, the baffling phantom ambulance, The Secret Society initiation, Hook’s Kingdom, the Mona situation, unusual seismic activity, a patient undergoing brain-surgery while conscious sees Mary, the student crush and the head-prank, his dream studies and twisted nightmare, Hook hooks up with his sweetie (and in the original they took the time to elaborate on the “complications” of her previous relationship, which are considerable.) There’s also other stuff that, so far, seems to have been left out, which was also dealt with very early on. In case it comes up later, I’ll box it:Stegman/Helmer’s lady innocently starts him on the path of some unlikely Dark Arts – Quite a bit of set up is established with regard to a doctor who covets a dying man’s rare and interesting cancer-ridden liver, and is frustrated by the family’s adamant refusal to allow the organ to be taken (post-decease) for research.

Apart from the stuff that’s newly made for the American Kingdom, there are a few things that have been altered in the translation:

The American Hook is hip-deep in the paranormal stuff from the start. The Danish Hook is totally unaware of all the ghostbusting stuff going on until the end of the first “season.” (Kingdom I) Mrs. Drusse does all her poking around (in the elevator, etc) with her long-suffering son. Hook has a few pieces of the puzzle but doesn’t have a clue that there’s anything supernatural about them until Drusse spells it out for him.

The kitchen workers are very different. In the original, they were only shown washing dishes and delivering cryptic exposition. (Much of which was centered on the metaphysical senses of cleansing-- “Some blood can be washed. Some blood can not be washed.” They often complained that the building itself was crumbling and dirtying the dishes, so that they’d have to be washed again.) The guy is a very matter-of-fact oracle, and that’s about it. All this business of them running around, messing with Stegman, playing matchmaker-- that’s all new.

All the inter-astral-plane politics is new. No “bad ghosts” menacing Mary in the original. There are a lot of instances of things being slightly shifted around-- for example, finding Mary’s doll in the elevator shaft. In the original, it was brought in by a senile/infantilized old woman, along with quite a few other clues. Since the doll is already there, I don’t think the old woman is gonna show. Too bad, she was great.

I kind of don’t think he was sent by anyone. It seems to me that the supernatural stuff is just getting stronger as time passes, like in The Shining. Hence, more earthquakes, more ghosts, more contact between the new Kingdom and the old. I don’t know. That’s my theory, anyway.

Was Paul one of the patients in the Pain Room, or was he the doctor’s assistant? Or do we not know that yet?

I got the feeling that he was assisting, from the tone the doctor took with him. I would hazard to guess that Paul is the doctor’s son, for two reasons:

  1. Absent the dolly-bringing senile old lady, the story needs somebody to be the Dr’s heir, and it would make sense for the writers to put a lot of her stuff on Paul.

  2. If they’ve kept his name intact, the ghost-doctor’s name is “Kruger.” That would make the boy Paul Kruger, which would fit in well with all the wacky referential names.

Hmmmm… I just googled around a bit to try to determine if they opted to change the name of their child-menacing (presumably died-in-a-fire) ghost in order to avoid associations with ol’ Freddy, and found this comment on The Journal of Eleanor Druse:

So I guess the name remains the same, and they haven’t done away with the old bat all-together, they’ve just gone extra-diegetic on her ass. Maybe we’ll get to see some of her through analepsis… Or as a ghost.

Huh.