Followill was addressing Ryan Murphy by name in response to Murphy’s specific comments, so he obviously knows that such a person exists. Whether Followill knew Murphy was gay isn’t really the point, as it’s certainly possible to use a sexist or homophobic insult against a man who isn’t gay.
He knows that Murphy exists and made the comments, but does he know who Murphy is? Does he know Murphy is the creator of Glee? Does he know Murphy is gay? Does he know Murphy has a history of this whiny behavior? All of these things matter to determine where the comment came from.
It’s very easy to fit this comment into a context of “guy busting on another guy that he thinks is an asshole” instead of “homophobic rant.”
I don’t see how he could possibly know about the specific comments Murphy made without realizing that Murphy is somehow involved in the production of the show.
Gosh, you think?
(Emphasis added.)
Is it possible for a tweet to be a rant? Aren’t they too short for that? Maybe a snit fit would fit.
I think he just called you a fruit.
What a silly thing to attempt.
Neither should the Kings of Leon. If they need to cultivate an image that keeps them off of Glee, well, that’s pretty lame. But this…
…isn’t. This is a valid reason.
Still, regardless of the reason, lame or not, they do have the right to say “no”.
I’m sure they know.
Not that Ryan Murphy wasn’t acting like a complete tool here. Nathan’s response was kind of tool-ish, Caleb’s was entirely reasonable.
You may find it silly, but for a certain type of artist, it’s necessary to the image. The motorcycle-jacket wearing, cigarette smoking older brother to pop’s pigtails and knee socks. As a style of pop makes its way to the mainstream, a rock alternative will emerge, whether it’s punk or grunge or any of the recent bad-high-school-poetry-with-loud-guitars styles of late. A band that the loners, the outcasts, and the kids that don’t fit in can identify with and call their own, a band that appears to stick it to The Man (while cashing paycheques from Him). These rock bands may be signed to the same labels as the pop tarts, may play at the same venues, may even share a stylist. But playing the role of the “alternative” is crucial to their ticket and song sales.
Does using gay stereotypes to insult someone who picked a fight with you make you a homophobe?
Maybe he’s just not afraid to be politically incorrect.
Yeah, I know. But bands should not worry so much about the “role” of alternative (or whatever) and just be alternative (or whatever).
I don’t watch Glee, but I look forward to hearing about the very special Kings of Glee-on episode coming right up…
I imagine that would involve saying “no” to Glee.
That’s what I took away from this.
Well, you can always insert a popular minority. Would it be okay to use black stereotypes against a black person? I know many people here do not think so.
Ryan Murphy, whom I did not know of until opening this thread, is coming across as a major douchebag. Seems to me that Glee is recycling the idea of High School Musical… it ain’t my cup of tea, and as far as I’m concerned, it can leave the airwaves yesterday.
He seems to think that popularity equals greatness. Well, I can’t be sure if the show is great or not, but KOL have every right to say no to Murphy for really any reason. It’s their music. I’m sure there are a number of other artists who will let their music be used in Glee.
Now Followill’s response, is slightly sexist. Because it is introducing the trope that there’s something weak about being female. Now on the sexist outrage chart it’s like a 2 out of 10. Hardly worth getting het up over, but certainly worth an “educational moment.” But as others have stated, Murphy is hardly a known quantity in pop culture. If Followill doesn’t watch and know about the show, how would he even know he’s gay?
I think he was going for the “don’t be a wuss/pussy” angle and it came out badly.