Dude, cites are always good, but it’s not necessary to make your *entire post *into a link.
The stupid… it burns… it burrrnsssss us!
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Thanks muchly. It seemed to work on preview, so I didn’t even check after it posted.
Kirk Cameron, the worst Kirk of all.
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Thanks muchly. It seemed to work on preview, so I didn’t even check after it posted.
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At least we have proof that mod exists.
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At least we have proof that mod exists.
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No, actually we don’t. All we have is that little marker that SkipMagic left behind saying that he performed a miracle. But since I didn’t see the messed up post before it was corrected, it could all be a sham.
The only other piece of evidence is the Apostle** Miller**, who claimed:
Why would Miller lie? Perhaps he was part of the conspiracy.
So does **SkipMagic **really exist? I don’t know, but I sure would be embarrassed to find out that my favorite message board that I’m proud to be a member of would allow anyone to post messages in other people’s posts that weren’t true.
I think that Kirk proves my theory of Unintelligent Design.
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Why would Miller lie?
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Yes. Yes I would.
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No, actually we don’t. All we have is that little marker that SkipMagic left behind saying that he performed a miracle. But since I didn’t see the messed up post before it was corrected, it could all be a sham.
The only other piece of evidence is the Apostle** Miller**, who claimed:
Why would Miller lie? Perhaps he was part of the conspiracy.
So does **SkipMagic **really exist? I don’t know, but I sure would be embarrassed to find out that my favorite message board that I’m proud to be a member of would allow anyone to post messages in other people’s posts that weren’t true.
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Dude, we’re all just pixels on a screen!
Pixels on a screen, man!
None of us really exist!
I post, therefore I am.
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:dubious: Then explain coconuts.
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And Brazil nuts, while you’re at it.
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All we have is that little marker that SkipMagic left behind saying that he performed a miracle.
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Is this like the Virgin Mary manifesting on a bridge abutment, or John the Baptist appearing on a Hot Pocket, or something?
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And Brazil nuts, while you’re at it.
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Brazil nuts worship St. Terry of Gilliamshire.
I just finished watching the video. Woo boy the bullshit was deep around Kirk and Ray. Did they actually even answer any questions directly?
Yes, of course we know you would lie. Ever since the Fall of Man, we know that you are a sinner. Sinner! The question is why would you lie. How come no one ever asks if the Apostles would lie just to be wiseacres?
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Dude, we’re all just pixels on a screen!
Pixels on a screen, man!
None of us really exist!
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Dude, you’re reading too much Quiddity Glomfuster. Better watch that. Soon you’ll be espousing broken brain theory with no warning. And then we’ll know you took a walk over to the QG side.
Definitely the “or something”.
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I don’t know that anyone “should” feel embarrassment over these events, but I do know that they sometimes do. I know that the I saw some comments from Korean-Americans after the Virginia Tech. incident that they hoped that there wouldn’t be any stigma attached to the incident. Stigma is a sense of embarrassment.
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Well, obviously I have been able to achieve some higher level of being that resists being sucked into the vortex of emotions that swirl around my membership in various (vague and overlarge) groups. I also cannot control the embarrasment that other humans suffer, so I will not comment on their responses. I understand that various people suffer embarrassment for the actions of members of different groups into which they would be lumped. However, I have no explanation why they would be enbarrassed about activities in which they did not participate and over which they have no control. I do not ridicule them or abuse them for experiencing that emotion, but I do not share it.
(Actually, in the matter of ethnic Koreans or East Asians living in the U.S. currently, I suspect that i do have a basic understanding of the mechanism at work, in which any tarnishing of the group’s perception by the wider population can harm the individual’s opportunities for growth and development or peace. Minority groups are particularly susceptible to such actions. However, it is pretty hard to argue the minority status of Christians in the Westerrn Hemisphere,)
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Another interesting theory. You seem to be advocating the monkey sphere theory of control/embarrassment. The monkey sphere theory of caring works because we can only care about what we know about. But it doesn’t seem to extend to what we have control over since as I noted above, we don’t have a great deal of control over other people’s actions even if they’re standing right next to us or live in the same house that we do. Of course, that depends on how you defined control.
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You have jumped from experiencing embarrassment or shame to acting on the impulse of caring. I have not previously equated the emotion with the will or action and I have advanced no theories–nor am I about to begin to do so now. Your comment, here, seems a bit irrelevant either to your initial question or to my response. Note that you initially asked how I felt about Mr. Cameron and I have responded throughout as to how I see the world, voicing no opinion regarding how others should view the world or respond.
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I don’t think this analogy works. If a serial murderer got on national television and said that he was responsible for several murders and will be committing more and is proud to be from X city, that person would probably be arrested or hunted down pretty quickly. In this instance, it’s not that we’re proud to be associated with them–it’s that we don’t know who and where they are.
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How about sports teams and whether you are proud or ashamed of their actions? I can choose to cheer for a bunch of mercenaries who happen to engage in athletic competitions in the name of a large city near which i live (although I only rarely do), but I don’t buy into the notion of being proud or ashamed of them, either. I’ve never seen a team get together in the locker room and announce that they are going to hire (and then rough up) a group of hookers or proclaim that they are going to trash a hotel or bar, yet it happens. Unless you live in Green Bay, WI, I don’t see much point in taking pride or accepting shame for the actions of some guys hired to play sports.
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In this case, Kirk Cameron got on national TV saying that he represents Christians and that he can prove that God exists without using faith.
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And? Who elected him? Who authorized him to speak for anyone other than the Fundamentalist church that happens to pay him to be a spokesperson for them? There is no law that prohibits him from claiming to speak for Christians–Christianity has no legally binding logo, trademark, or copyright. The word is in the public domain and he is free to abuse it in any manner he so chooses.
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I don’t think they “have to”, but I think they often do. In each of those Pittings of you that you spoke of earlier, in each one that I read, there was at least one atheist who came in and said that the Pitting didn’t have to do with the OP author being an atheist, it had to do with the OP author being an idiot. Whether it was true or not, at least some people felt compelled to say it.
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And you have identified an area of personal expression where my attitudes differ from those of some other people.
You asked a question that I answered. Now you seem to be arguing that I should have answered differently. Sorry. My feelings are those I have expressed and I see no reason to go out and attempt to bring my feelings or attitudes in line wiith what you would wish. And I have NO idea why you would wish that my attitrude was different, how it would change things in the world, or why it would matter, in any case.
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I still find it odd that so few Christians feel the need to speak out against the actions of people like Kirk Cameron supposedly representing their views.
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Well, in this thread, nearly all the Christians that I have noticed have mocked him pretty thoroughly.
The important point (from what I guess is your perspective) is that he does not speak “for Christians” and the overwhelming number of us recognize that he does not speak “for Christians” any more than William Luther Pierce/Andrew Macdonald “spoke for” whites in the U.S.
Any nutter can claim that he represents anything he wants. Until I support him, he does not represent me. There is no reason to wander around cataloging all the Camerons, Falwells, Robertsons, Wildmons, Dobsons, Donohues, Bruskewitzes, ad nauseam and racing out twice a week to deny that they are represenrtative of anything I believe when anyone who has more awareness of the world than the average two-year-old recognizes that these people are only representing a tiny minority of even the groups they purport to represent and that running around trying to deny them would give them more exposure and make more people think that they actually had a serious following.
Every time that Jack Chick puts out another cartoon, there is a Pit thread analyzing and condemning it, yet in the real world, not one person in a thousand knows the name Jack Chick and barely one in a thousand has ever bothered to pay any attention to his scribblings much less bothering to discover who he is (and then, usually to laugh).
Well whatever do you use your 7th and 8th limb for?
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My apologies if I offended, Bricker (and see my later qualification of that statement). Certainly there are some Christians who have read the entire Bible, and it would probably be better if more of them (like yourself) had done so. I’ll admit that I’ve tried, but I got bogged down somewhere in Numbers. My intention by that statement was to refute the ludicrous claim that one could not read the Bible without becomming Christian, and to ridicule the minority of self-identified Christians who make similar claims, not to in any way slight Christians as a whole.
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No worries!
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I still find it odd that so few Christians feel the need to speak out against the actions of people like Kirk Cameron supposedly representing their views.
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Kirk Cameron doesn’t represent my views or **tomndebb’s ** or anyone else’s except his own. Why should we “speak out against” him? At worst he’s a wack job; mostly he’s a harmless diversion who’s good for a laugh or two before the next twit comes along. I really don’t care if atheists want to point to him as an example of tyipcal Christianity because we don’t have any real dialogue anyway, and this thread is clear evidence of that. I just shake my head at the duckodile and the banana skit and go on about life. the only thing Cameron proves is how pathetically simplistic and gullible a lot of people are.
About that banana thing, though – doesn’t that look an awful lot like a spoof? I mean, it’d be a real winner on Saturday Night Live, and Cameron looks like he’s having trouble keeping from laughing.
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Kirk Cameron doesn’t represent my views or **tomndebb’s ** or anyone else’s except his own. Why should we “speak out against” him?
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Because, until a louder voice speaks up, he does represent Christianity to a large portion of those that watched the program. Note that the word “represent” contains the word “present”. Until you present yourself and your beliefs to a large audience, you represent very little.
This is the reason I am less pissed off at idiots like Kirk Cameron than I am at those that sit back and do nothing except say (privately), “Well, at least I know what a real Christian is.”
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Kirk Cameron doesn’t represent my views or **tomndebb’s ** or anyone else’s except his own. Why should we “speak out against” him?
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Perhaps for the same reason we ask muslims to speak out against the lunatics who think that it’s okay to kill people so long as it’s done in the name of Allah?
Cameron’s a douche and if people refrain from pointing out why he’s a douche, then his level of stupidity becomes acceptable to society. No doubt if people didn’t speak out against halfwits like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell when they spewed their offensive nonsense, they’d by now be ordering people to kill the “unbelievers.” Hell, they’re practically doing that now. The level of ignorance they display is a threat to civilization.