Kmart can kiss my ass-maybe TMI

Guin - next time they question you just tell them, “It’s women stuff. You really, really don’t want to know” If they don’t accept that, they deserve the gory details.
catsix I recommend that you be very careful - looking down on how another woman handles her periods is very, very bad karma.

I used to do that, until my periods started getting worse from uterine fibroids.

I ended up:
Using only the largest available pads and still having to change them constantly and completely soaking them, sometimes within 15 to 20 minutes of putting in a new one.
Having to get up in the middle of the night, sometimes 6 or seven times to change pads (you know how much sleep you get then?) BTW, I slept on a plastic sheet to protect my bed.
Spending weekends holed up in my house, unable to do anything because I was either in the bathroom or in bed with a heating pad. And I was grateful that the worst part of my periods fell on the weekend because I didn’t have to deal with work.
Having periods that lasted for three weeks plus, and started like clockwork after less than a week hiatus.

I repeat. I was glad that I didn’t have to deal with the worst of this during work hours. I only had to take off once or twice.

And I did nearly pass out at work once.

And I am not lying nor exagerating. I started keeping track because the doctors always looked at me like I was exagerating.

Thank God for modern medicine.

BTW, catsix, it took 10 years for a doctor to correctly diagnose me. And that doctor still wanted to do the same damn thing the other doctors I had seen had been doing. Thank god for the internet or I would not have been treated before I got laid off.

One of my friends was told by his boss he had to come in to work or lose his job when he had a 102 degree fever. They provided a bucket for him to vomit in because the smell of food was making him extremely nauseous. His job was preparing plates in a Red Lobster, though, so I guess the public didn’t have to come into DIRECT contact with him…

I can vouch for this at least. 2 years ago my husband worked as the up-front manager for Kmart in Park City. He didn’t actually schedule the people to work, but he made the day schedules. (Who worked what register, when the lunches were, breaks, etc). :rolleyes: It was the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. There were so few people working the register that their lunches had to be spread out, and it was a huge ordeal to get enough people to cover breaks or what not.
Also, he even though he was the up-front manager, they only gave him 33 hours a week…so he wouldn’t be a full-time employee. Kmart treats its employees like crap. I worked there myself for a month…it was the most horrific, awful month of my life. I could hardly stand there when I’m healthy…I don’t blame Guin for taking the day off when she’s sick.

I’m probably totally wrong on this, but I was always taught that a fever was the result of the body trying to fight of an infection. Since a period can’t possibly be considered an infection, where does the fever come in? Any docs or nurses wanna chime in here?

GUIN is a very prolific poster, so I have read a great many of her threads. This one is NOT the first time she referred to "calling off"work. In fact, it seems she has another “reason” to add to her repetoire, “panic attacks”. Whatever. What’s wrong with an employer expecting that people actually show up for their shifts???

And the next time there’s a thread about wage inequality in GD, we can just link to this thread. After all, if women only make 70 cents on the dollar vs. men, where’s the debate when we have evidence that some women only work 70% as much as the men do?

At least your first four words are correct here.

Just because fighting an infection can cause a fever, doesn’t mean nothing ELSE can.

Personally, I always have a raised temperature when I get my period. Not enough to need to stay home for, but enough to wake me in the middle of the night (sleeping above the covers, with nothing on) with sweat rolling down my back.

Mm-mm.

No cramps tho’ thank Og, so I guess I’m one of the lucky ones…

Gee…actually at best the evidence here would only be regarding ONE woman working less than 100% of the time. (And I don’t think it’s very good evidence of that, even.) I don’t think it will pass muster in GD.

I would amend my earlier judgement of “condecending jerk” to “total asshole”, but you’d have to be pretty stupid to make such a broad sweeping statement based on anicdotal evidence, wouldn’t you?

And men never get sick?

Ha! I’ll be sure to tell my parents that. (My father has to take off a day whenever, for example, he gets a tetanus shot, because it makes him so ill.) My mom’ll get a good laugh out of it, anyway.

Milroy, catsix, I ask again, when was the last time you worked in retail?

As far as working 70% of the time - well, for me that sounds about right. But then again, I’m a full-time student, and my education comes first. I’ll worry about returning to the corporate workforce when I’ve finished that.

Yes, I have shown up when I was deathly ill, because I was the only person who could do my job. However, I made sure to tell my boss that I was leaving as soon as the urgent part of my task was completed.

See, I figured this little thing out. The “corporation” (to be fair, with the exception of Disney I’ve always worked for small companies) wasn’t going to take care of my health. So I had to do it. And one sick day when I caught my symptoms early seemed like a lot less of my productive time for them to lose than three or four days when the stress of working while sick intensified my symptoms, plus the one day of not-really-productive-time engendered by the illness itself. Not to mention the two or three (or more) days out experienced by the employees who came down with what I was carrying.

Short-staffing in retail is idiocy. I can remember working and asking my boss, if he came out and didn’t see me, to check the floor behind the counter. I had a migraine so severe I thought I was going to pass out. And the schedulers had fucked up and only scheduled me for that night, so he couldn’t send me home.

And I’m willing we weren’t half as busy as Kmart is on a regular basis.

And I’m rambling.

Truer words never spoken (well, written).

I decided that my family (sister, elderly friend) were important, and needed taking care of the day of the Northridge Quake. Because it was blatantly obvious that my boss didn’t give a damn about them. If I don’t care enough to make the proper choice for my family, who will?

I decided that the health of my back was important, and worth saving. So I didn’t come into work one day. Because it was blatantly obvious that my boss didn’t give a damn about my health.

And on another job (working with developmentally disabled people) I decided that I wasn’t going to work with the patient who was violent and unpredictable. This person was known for beating the crap out of employees, and for yanking out huge hunks of hair out of employees’ scalps. (The reason why this person is still in “the system” is a LONG story, and best not delved into here.) I had to make the choice to refuse, because it was blatantly obvious that my boss didn’t give a damn about my safety. She thought I was unfeeling and terrible because I wasn’t willing to give this patient “a chance”. (“A chance” for what? To yank out all of my hair? Beat the crap out of me?)

The fact is, we (the employees) usually have to look out for ourselves. It’s obviously not our bosses’ job to do that for us. I swear, I suspect that some of them would work us to the brink of death, if they could get away with it. Oh, but they’ll rationalize, by saying, “Well, if she was that sick, she could have refused to come in!” But, when we do refuse to work, we are terrible people! You can’t win for losing.

Y’know, milroy, I didn’t think my opinion of you could get much lower. But in this thread, you’ve managed to reach new depths. I’m impressed, in a funny sort of way. :rolleyes:

I’m just still gobsmacked by catsix’s “I don’t believe that any woman is left bent over, sobbing”.

I’ll just tell the kabbess that the next time that she’s bent over sobbing uncontrollably because the pain is so intense. I’m sure that if I simply let her know that some random woman on the internet doesn’t believe that her pain is that bad really, she’ll just stand right up and declare, “Busted!”

Feh.

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All right. That’s it. You know what? Why are you even here? You certainly don’t seem to be fighting ignorance?

Good god, you’re a heartless, unfeeling bastard. Good luck.

I hope to God you are never in a situation where you need therapy or psychiatric care. God help you then.

Whatever, my arse.

Note to self: Stop trying to make subtle points with humor in the Pit. The ones that need it never get it.

Curious how this thread has spent so much time on menstrual debates, isn’t it? I guess that’s human nature, but in an attempt to nudge it back to Guin’s original rant (OK, and to try to reduce the TMI level), I’ll toss out a couple of pennies.

We all know that there are as many leadership and management styles out there as there are leaders and managers. I’ve spent the last 20 years in various leadership positions in both the public and private sectors, but have also made something of a study of ledership techniques themselves.

My observations (and that’s all I’m basing this on; skip to next post if you’re not awed by my credentials) are that, like most aspects of leadership, time-off policies can be lumped into two categories, or schools of thought. I should probably find more even-handed terms for them, but I think of them as the Short View and Long View.

Managers who take the Short View look no farther than the most immediate benefit/disadvantage; in this case, the work schedule. They, or someone working for them, has spent considerable time and effort getting the schedule “just right,” and I’ll be the last to deny that it’s a real drag when something happens to throw a wrench in the works. It’s worse when the notice given is short or nil, as is usually the case with illness. Beside the scheduling headaches, these absences adversely affect customer service (longer queues, missed commitments), cost (overtime for the fill-in), and sometimes morale. For a business to compete, all of those have to be minimized, which is of course the manager’s job. If it wasn’t difficult, we’d have high school interns handle it (they work almost as cheaply as I do!). Looking at the Short View only, a manager would be a fool to grant any time off he/she didn’t absolutely have to. “Denied! Resubmit in 30 days for further denials!”

The Long View manager understands those short-term impacts, but also looks ahead to other consequences. I mentioned most of these in my earlier post, but didn’t really draw attention to them. As they’re (still) fairly self-evident, I’ll continue to just list all but two: preventing contagion of other workers & customers, preventing poor customer service, and maintaining workplace safety (illness reduces reaction time). In addition, encouraging slightly ill workers to come in can cause illnesses to go untreated (even if the only “treatment” denied is rest), inviting longer absences. Incidentally, I apply the same rule of thumb to life events like moving, day care crises, etc. I’d rather give you a day off now to get your affairs in order than have you distracted for the next two weeks.

However, it’s been my experience that the most important factor in deciding time-off matters is employee morale (note that this is the only one listed under both views). It’s true that allowing a given employee excessive time off can have a negative impact on the rest of the team. But this must be balanced by the positive effect it can have on the employee in question. If applied consistently and with common sense, a liberal policy spreads this positive effect across the team, more than negating any bad vibes. It’s important to be clear about communicating this. I inform all employees that I am in fact quite willing to grant sick/personal days, and will mostly rely on their judgement of when they need them. In return, I expect that they’ll honor my requests for overtime or extended hours, relying on my judgement for when that’s required. I’ve had very good results with this policy, and have found over time that having my subordinates willing rally when I really need them more than offsets the occasional hiccup in my schedule due to being understaffed.

Finally, I wanted to address the point several Guinastasia critics made about abuse of time off. It happens, and it’s a problem. But I disagree that the solution is to “fix” the problem with a draconian policy for granting sick leave. Invariably, those who abuse time-off policies have poor work ethics. The overwhelming percentage also usually have other performance problems as well. Therefore, the best approach is to performance manage (I had to get in at least one management buzzword) these folks so that they either change their performance or leave the company.

In short (too late!), if you’re one of the poor souls who works for me, I really don’t need to hear how many ccs of fluid have passed out various orfices lately, and it’s not relevant how your cramps or headache compare to a swift kick in the nards. I don’t even care if you can’t make it in because your ex slashed your tires or you need to get Grandpa in a new nursing home because the old one burned down. If I can’t trust you to make adult decisions and take your job as seriously as I do, I’m gonna can your ass and find someone who will.

WOW! Wisest Novel, you sound like one of the better managers out there! It’s no suprise that you’d get some semblance of loyality from your employees. ehehee If only more of them were like you!

“Invariably, those who abuse time-off policies have poor work ethics.”

Hmm…I believe that. See, I figure that if someone DOES lie about being sick, they’d run out of sick days if they’re not careful. What if they REALLY get sick? Uh oh! Out of sick days! T-O-O B-A-D. A karma sort of thing!

However, I believe that people with poor work ethics should not be working AT ALL. I kind of get irritated when people boo hoo about laziness, don’t want to work, etc…and the sort because if someone is that bad, why would you want them to work at all? Why are some people sickeningly intent on enforcing their own work ethics on other people? Doesn’t that just make things worse?

“The overwhelming percentage also usually have other performance problems as well.”

I imagine so. That’s no surprise there.

“I swear, I suspect that some of them would work us to the brink of death, if they could get away with it.”

1800’s USA/England. They did just that. It took a slew of effort to have even have 8 hour work days and the minimum wage among other things. Some of them? Well, I’d have to say a lot of them would…:frowning:

“Oh, but they’ll rationalize, by saying, “Well, if she was that sick, she could have refused to come in!” But, when we do refuse to work, we are terrible people! You can’t win for losing.”

Indeed.

Exactly. You try to call off, and they insist you come in-and then get angry when you come in hacking your lungs out.

sigh
My work ethic is just fine. My employee morale, however, is nil…and dropping.

You know, Catsix, one day it will happen to you.

And for the sake of karma, I hope your boss is as nasty, thickheaded and robotic as - well, not as Guin’s boss is…

But as you are.

You must be an inspiration to your employees. Provided contempt is what you are seeking to inspire.

If you don’t have any, then I certainly hope you never will.

My participation in this thread has been a train wreck from the get-go, and it’s entirely my fault. My comments were unwarranted and uncalled for. I’m not going to try and make an excuse, because I realize there isn’t any. My sincerest apologies especially to Guin and anyone else I have offended.

Regards to all.

I’m not sure if anyone actually posted an answer to catsix’s statement about it not being possible to be in that much pain unless there is something wrong and to see a doctor to fix it but I’ll post it again…

It’s dysmenorrhea. Some people suffer for long periods (no pun intended!) of time and never figure out what it is…but it is a real medical condition for many women. I know there are different types of dysmennorhea (or they are classified) based on “why” someone gets it I believe. I suffer from your garden variety form-I would say moderately-although even the moderate pain is absolutely gut wrenching. When I was in my early teens I wasn’t able to go to school on the first day of my period each month because I was running a fever, vomiting and basically crouched over muttering to myself about how much I hated being a woman. I’m not a doctor and it’s been years since I was diagnosed but I think it has to do with excessive prostagladins.

There are a couple of “cures” to it but even then, these don’t work for everyone…

I have a prescription for high strength doses of naproxen sodium-and the reason I say that I probably have a mild to moderate case is that I can control the mind-numbing agony, oops, cramps by taking a couple more of these than I should on the bad day.

I know some people are prescribed birth control as another method of easing them.

I do know people that have tried both and neither work. One person I know is on really high strength doses of ibuprofen. Another is exploring homeopathic solutions.

Oh but believe me when I say they are more than just simple cramps. I would be fainting and unable to work. As it is, I am lucky enough that I can down two prescription naproxens and be good for about four hours before I down two more. That’s double what I’m supposed to take. The only time I have skipped out b/c of period woe is when the naproxen has been out of my reach and actually my boss even sent me home one of those times because he could sense something was drastically wrong with me.

PLEASE do not self-medicate with large doses of ibuprofen - IIRC, this can result in massive internal bleeding and truly excruiating death.

being male, I have nothing to say re. OP