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reply to Fretful_Porpentine:

So, the animals: A mammal, a bird, and a reptile? Yes Or more than one of each? Yes and No and No

Was it a type of mammal commonly kept as a pet? No Commonly kept on a farm? Yes and No (Same questions for the bird – and, I guess, the “pet” question for the reptile as well, since I can’t think of too many commonly-farmed reptiles.) No to bird, sometimes to reptile.

Did the “fiscal interest” involve selling the animals? No Renting them out? No Some product produced by the animals? No

Thanks very much for the help. I am at work all weekend and appreciate the assistance.

Hmm … all but one of the numbers given as results have been multiples of three. Is there anything about the nature of the thing being measured that makes it especially likely that the result will be divisible by three? Or is this just coincidence?

So, to check that what I think I understand about the animal study is correct:

– It involved at least four individual animals? But not more than ten?

– There were at least four species involved? Including a bird, a reptile, and at least two types of mammal? At least one of the mammals is a farm animal, and at least one is not?

– (Some? All?) of the animals were owned by the researchers?

– The researchers expected to earn money as a result of the study? But not by selling or renting the animals? Nor by selling something they produced?

– The animals were expected to do something? But “three” represents something other than the number of times the animals were able to do it?

And, aargh, I can’t believe I didn’t think to ask this before:

Were the animals actual, live animals?

Inanimate objects representing animals (e.g., a teddy bear)?

Fictional characters who are animals (e.g., Yogi Bear)? If yes: did the researchers “own” them in the sense of owning the rights to the character?

Hmm, crocodiles are sometimes farmed for their meat. Were they crocodiles? Alligators?

I’m not sure I can answer all of the questions about the animal study, since the documentation I’ve found of that study appears to differ from what @Biotop found. But to answer what I can,

Amusing, but so far as I can tell just a coincidence.

Yes

Could you rephrase this without pronouns, please?

No

No

Yes and yes

I can’t be certain of what @Biotop found, but I doubt they were crocodiles

I think I remember this. Is it very vaguely reminiscent of a song sung by Al Jolson, Dean Martin, and possibly others saying so long to a girlfriend on a train and kissing her 7 times?

If that’s a little too vague (or if out age difference won’t let you recognize this) send me a private message and I’ll explain unless you just wish me to state my guess here which I’m pretty sure is correct.

Did the researchers expect to earn money as a result of the study?

This money did not come from selling or renting the animals, correct?

Was it by selling something the animals produced?

Was it by selling something the researchers produced?

And, now that we’ve established the “animals” were fictional characters “owned” by the researchers in the intellectual-property sense:

Did the animal study bring publicity to an already-existing media product?

Did it involve the creation of a new product (e.g., a cartoon short depicting the “study”)?

Had the human and / or machine studies already been made public at the time of the animal study?

Ha ha. Very cryptic, but I’ll answer this one. Yes.

Thanks for the verification. Unfortunately I know little about this to help answering others’ questions, but will do so if I’m able.

Did the researchers expect to earn money as a result of the study?

Yes

This money did not come from selling or renting the animals, correct?

No

Was it by selling something the animals produced?

No

Was it by selling something the researchers produced?

Yes

And, now that we’ve established the “animals” were fictional characters “owned” by the researchers in the intellectual-property sense:

Did the animal study bring publicity to an already-existing media product?

No

Did it involve the creation of a new product (e.g., a cartoon short depicting the “study”)?

No

Had the human and / or machine studies already been made public at the time of the animal study?

No

Hmm… maybe I am missing something but my mammals, reptile and bird certainly helped with the directing of the research even if they all perhaps were not in agreement with the summary of the research findings.

With so many people claiming to know the answer, maybe it’s the time to let us all know and move on to the next one.

Well, I have no idea, and I’m still interested. Dunno if anyone else is.

Was the thing produced and sold by the animal researchers primarily a tangible product? Primarily intangible? (“Primarily tangible” = e.g., a Batman lunchbox; “primarily intangible” = e.g., going to see a Batman movie, where you might incidentally get a physical object in the form of a paper ticket, but the thing you’re really paying for is the experience of seeing the movie, not the scrap of paper itself.)

Was everyone involved in the OTHER studies a real person or machine? Or were there fictional characters involved in those, too?

In the original puzzle, do phrases like …

… mean that the thing-being-measured occurred three-hundred-and-sixty-four times? That it occurred three times, six times, and four times? Something else?

So, there is required equipment, smaller than a breadbox, which a poster to this board may possibly have in their home, correct? Is this item something you’d commonly find in a kitchen? A bathroom? Another room of the house?

Is it a measuring device of some sort?

In this study, is it being used for something other than its normal purpose?

reply to Fretful_Porpentine:

Well, I have no idea, and I’m still interested. Dunno if anyone else is.

Was the thing produced and sold by the animal researchers primarily a tangible product? Yes Primarily intangible? No (“Primarily tangible” = e.g., a Batman lunchbox; “primarily intangible” = e.g., going to see a Batman movie, where you might incidentally get a physical object in the form of a paper ticket, but the thing you’re really paying for is the experience of seeing the movie, not the scrap of paper itself.)

Was everyone involved in the OTHER studies a real person or machine? Yes Or were there fictional characters involved in those, too? No

In the original puzzle, do phrases like …

… mean that the thing-being-measured occurred three-hundred-and-sixty-four times? YesThat it occurred three times, six times, and four times? No Something else? No

So, there is required equipment, smaller than a breadbox, which a poster to this board may possibly have in their home, correct? Yes Is this item something you’d commonly find in a kitchen? Yes A bathroom? No Another room of the house? No

Is it a measuring device of some sort? No

In this study, is it being used for something other than its normal purpose? No

Is it about eating food? Like it takes a human 35 bites to eat a bowl of cereal, but a dog just takes 3?

In the studies with the machines, did the machine use the equipment? Was the machine the equipment?

In the studies involving humans, was the equipment used by human test subjects? Or only by the researchers?

I’m pretty sure I’ve been a test subject in this research as well. Nothing official, but in college I knew a Senior that solicited participants in this for one of his classes. I can’t remember the class subject specifically, but I’m pretty sure it was one of two possibilities. Granted, this was an informal analysis rather than a fully controlled experiment.

I don’t remember my number, but it was somewhere within a reasonable deviation of the numbers for humans given in the original puzzle.

Hmm – is it common for this type of study to be done by students as part of their classwork?

Would a study of this type be relevant to a biology class?

Chemistry?

Other natural science?

Psychology?

Economics?

Other social science?

Culinary arts?

Physical education?