Leaving USA for someplace saner- easier said than done?

The warmest bits of Canada are coastal BC and southern Ontario. Coastal BC is much like the rest of the Pacific NW. Moderate temperatures, lots of rain, rarely to have significantly below freezing temperatures. Southern Ontario has about the same weather as southern Michigan/northern Ohio. The Great Lakes moderate the temperatures, but you do get heavy lake effect snow. Very mild winters by Canadian Prairie standards, but still actually winter.

Fascinating. I had no idea.

Now I have images of the Turks & Caicos islands in January covered entirely in swimsuit-clad Canadians standing shoulder to shoulder, looking like a human version of those miles-large flocks of penguins standing at the water’s edge in Antarctica.

Some rough math suggests that if the entire population of Canada decamped to T&C for the winter, each Canadian would get 10 square meters to stand / sleep / live on. And they’d outnumber the T&C native population about 1,000 to 1.

:grin:

Yes, and possibly also some parts of the Maritime provinces.

I can’t say we don’t get much snow in southern Ontario since I’ve been whining about it elsewhere, but this season it’s mainly because of the La Nina cycle. Many winters we typically don’t get much at all, and global warming has been raising average temperatures faster than the global average. Later this week, while La Nina continues to wreak havoc with the precipitation pattern, temperatures will rise to about 41°F and the snow will turn to rain.

Depends on location. Where I live in southern Ontario it’s always a toss-up whether we’ll have a “white Christmas” as significant snowfalls, if any, tend not to come until January, and by March it starts warming again.

That might not be enough, but see below. If you have your grandmother’s full name, date of birth, father’s name and mother’s maiden name, you could probably get an actual birth certificate from the Quebec government.

The trouble is that the laws keep changing. I think you might be wrong about the “only baptismal certificates” – what about children who were never baptized? I think the issue was that until a certain year the Quebec government issued some birth certificates solely based on baptismal records. What I know for sure is that at some point in the early 2000s, all Quebec birth certificates issued before a certain date were deemed invalid for official purposes, and you had to apply for a new one. I’m just looking at mine now, issued in 2006 when I had to get a new passport. The old one was not acceptable.

For what it’s worth, we (central-ish Vancouver) haven’t even had a frost yet. Higher elevations have. After a few winters of nothing but cold rain, though, you might learn to welcome snow. (And we do usually get a little snow, somewhere between a few days and a few weeks of white stuff on the ground.)

Thank you.

Well, i grew up spending a lot of my winters in New Hampshire. And i liked it. Most of the populated parts of Canada have a lovely climate by my standards. If i could get legal permanent residency, I’d be happy to move to Toronto or nearby.

(And i was barely willing to visit the Southern US in the summer even before i had political reasons to stay away. I’ve decided against attending events because the weather was likely to be too hot.)

Thank you for that suggestion. As it happens, I do have what you listed; now I need to brush up on my French and hunt down the requisite form(s). Or if you still have that information, sharing it would be appreciated.

(One potential hiccup is that she had three given names, and I’ve seen them in several combinations. But one speed bump at a time.)

Despite the sociopolitical aspect of the Quebec government pushing the French language, there’s no problem at all dealing with them in English. Here’s a useful site.

Again, thanks (and I was being a tad facetious about the French*).

On the surface, it would appear that I don’t have the right to apply for a certificate since I’m neither a legal representative (documentation required) nor a child of a deceased person. More research required.

* At one time I was responsible for the payroll system for a company which had facilities in BC and NS, so once a year I’d receive a bulky document from Revenue Canada listing the changes required for the coming year. Written, of course, in the finest bureaucratese. I used to say that I found the Fench easier to understand than the English.

Usually, that is the requirement for an original, meant to go only to the person represented.

A certified copy, to be used for purposes such as you intend, is less limited, and as a descendant you should be able to get one.

Do you mind my asking where? Just idle curiosity. I’ve lived here in Moscow (Idaho) for 20 years after 55 years in San Diego.

Spirit Lake.

If they choose to

:wink:

What I am really having a hard time wrapping my head around is the recent change to citizenship by descent in Canada as a result of Bill C-3, which went into effect just a couple weeks ago.

For people born after December 15, 2025, it’s clear enough: there is a new 3-year presence rule for before a Canadian citizen can pass citizenship on to a child by descent to a child born abroad. Not unlike US law (although we require more than 3 years).

It’s the implication for pre-December 15, 2025 that has me furrowing my brows. AIUI, it implements the holding of Bjorkquist et al. v. Attorney General of Canada, 2023 by recognizing that it was unjustifiably discriminatory to require Canadian citizens born abroad to meet a physical presence requirement (in Canada) before they could pass citizenship on to a child also born abroad. That said, most of the discussion I see talks about how this impacts second-generation born abroad Canadians (that is, their grandparent was born in Canada, but their parent was not, making the parent the first generation born abroad a Canadian citizen under the old scheme, and now essentially declaring the second generation born abroad is also a citizen if they were born prior to December 15, 2025).

But what about the third generation born abroad, if born prior to December 15, 2025? If the second generation born abroad has now been declared, retroactively, a citizen by descent all along, then would that carry forward to the third generation?

I feel like I’d need to talk to a Canadian immigration attorney to be sure. I tried reading the law itself, as amended, but it is, like US immigration law, a lot of gibberish with so many ifs/thens/buts/excepts/etcs, and as a layperson with respect to Canadian law, I am not equipped to analyze it.

Anyway, for those who want to get a aense of what I am talking about, see this summary:

And this is a government summary:

…with the confusing/intriguing part being:

If you were born outside of Canada before December 15, 2025 , you’re likely a Canadian citizen if your parent was also a Canadian citizen when you were born.

I mean, okay, so suppose great-grandma was born in Canada and lived there for many years prior to 1947 (thus a Canadian citizen by the act of 1946), grandma was born in the US (first generation born abroad and thus a Canadian citizen by descent), mother was also born in the US prior to 2025 (so, by this new rule, also a citizen by descent?)… but what about daughter, also born in the US prior to 2025? Since dad is now considered a Canadian citizen by descent (right?) doesn’t that mean daughter was born to a Canadian citizen? And this a citizen herself since she was born prior to December 15, 2025???

There is also this, but it seems to ignore the distinction between births prior to December 15, 2025 and births on or after that date if there is in fact such a distinction and I am not just grossly misinterpreting the secondary sources):

There’s a thread on Bjorkquist and the amendments over here:

Oh, thanks. I’m curious because great-grandma ASL was born in Canada. Although, as I’ve noted in this thread, I don’t see myself leaving the US.

A decade younger - but otherwise similar.

My wife and I both have decent pensions and a bit of wealth.

Top on my head, Portugal, Mexico, Malta, Philippines, Thailand … seemly would love to have us.

Admittedly that is easier said than done - we spend a couple months overseas this year.

Mostly as a test run, wasn’t as peasant as I hoped.

But still seems a rational option.

That sounds very similar to the law change in the UK that lets people like me who have a maternal grandmother born in the UK (but not mother) to gain UK citizenship due to past gender discrimination.

I’m nearing the end of my application preparation and thus far seems straightforward (but I’m using a solicitor who is doing the heavy lifting).

Off topic: I lived in Moscow, ID for a few years in the 70s. Two of my children were born there. We lived in a farm house south of town while I attended the university.

As far as I know Americans are not well liked in Portugal at all. They buy apartments or houses and so contribute to rising house prices which makes real estate inaccessible to natives. And they come expecting that everybody has to address them in English. Without a very solid command of the native language you will never feel welcome in your host country. Bureaucracy is a nightmare, you need to know the Portuguese laws, regulations, by-laws etc. US citizens are not accepted as clients by European banks and so on and so forth. Emigrating is very different from knowing a country as a tourist.