How do you know?
I don’t ever use the word wow, it’s usually something like f… me runnin’. I see your point. And I must admit, I make no assumptions about what it was. Just that it so past my understanding I can’t discern what it is. I, of course, as a believer would like to assign such things to “the Land Beyond” as you so colorfully put it, but if it is so it would be revealed to me. So I have to agree that assuming it is supernatural would just be ignorant.
I love you.
Maybe you would like to share some of these things with us, and let us judge whether they can be explained? The fact that you can’t explaine them does not mean it can’t be explained. I mean my rocket ship for some reason will not go more than 186,282.397 miles per second I don’t know why. But I bet Stephen Hawking does.
ETA: Given your last post #42 (now thats funny) nevermind.
Please see my previous post.
Well thanks much, askeptic . Peace be with you. Always pleased to entertain you, my good man.
By the way, thanks Kalhoun for at least engaging me in conversation. I don’t want to be labled a total nut (maybe a little) and followed around by those who only wish to insult me (although, who f… cares) so thanks again.
Hey…any time. That’s what most of us are here for. Lively exchanges.
I wouldn’t call your examples spiritual - they are all quite physical, in that they are generated from physical objects. A better example might be that people believe in hell - for others, of course.
You’re giving him way too much credit. He believes in the actual existence (using existence loosely) of spiritual entities. The question is why people experience them as being so different. There are some similarities between NDEs, but that can be explained physiologically.
If we were measuring g, we wouldn’t expect to get exact matches between readings. 9.81 m/secsq and 9.79 m/secsq would both be fine. if you get 4 m / sec sq, you’ve got a measurement problem. If everyone ever got widely different values, you’d pretty much reject g being a constant. So, identical means within the error bars, not truly identical in this context.
I believe Lekatt should be banned for continued, willful ignorance. He is the enemy this board fights against.
Excellent response. What a lot of science is really about is “I don’t understand why the crap that happened, but I’m going to find out.” If everything that happens can be explained by what we already know, most scientists would give up and become lawyers or accountants or something.
Were lekatt to limit himself to witnessing for his beliefs, I would have no problem with him and I might even post a half-hearted defense of him in this thread.
That is not what infuriates his opponents in GD. His rankling behavior is that he enters threads on science, (less frequently now, thankfully), to deny currently accepted information then falsely claim that “science” says or does certain things. When he is challenged on his factual claims, he pretends that “scientists” have actually done work that support his beliefs, (even though he never provides any evidence that the “work” was done), and he reverts to making grand (false) declarations about how “science” prevents any real analysis–all the while either refusing to support his false claims or by providing citations to sources that either fail to support or else flatly contradict his claims. He also has an irritating habit of claiming that he has “already” provided actual citations when he has never done so.
(I was not aware until this thread that he is actually active on multiple internet discussion groups posting the same drivel, so I suppose that there is a remote chance that some of his claims that he “already” provided a citation might be confusion with some other message board or newsgroup–however, given the paucity, unreliability, and general innaccuracy of his claims, here, I still suspect that he is simply making it up as he goes along.)
I am hesitant to tell you this but truth is something God lets me know. You know how, in your thoughts you kind of question yourself? When I speak it in my mind I (work with me here) get confirmation of its truth. I know it sounds totally absurd but it’s true. As you can see from my posts, as of late, I don’t think of bad things anymore. It is astounding to me. I have gone from the most hateful and violent person to someone who can only care for others. It is FUCKING amazing. The things I have done to others in the past would make you weep. They do me. You could say I had a change of heart but it wasn’t me. I am far too weak to make a change of that magnitude. It came from Him. More witnessing I know but there is nothing to debate about it. I am able to catch hate and judgement before it festers in my soul like a disease. Men do what is thier nature. How does one change his nature?
If god is doing it, doesn’t that 1) make free will something of a non-issue and 2) make you wonder why he didn’t intervene sooner?
Change is also part of man’s nature. You don’t give yourself enough credit.
It was only my will when I accepted it. You don’t know how hateful I was. It was fuckin’ scary. I can’t believe I am even alive now. The things I did were so evil. See the thread on the guy that convicted the the child molester and that will give you a taste of some of it. Still I am ashamed of the things I have done to human beings. I’m not Pol Pot, but fuck me runnin’ it isn’t anything I could or would share here. But, I have been forgiven by His grace. Someone very wise, in this very place, told me that. That all the acts I could ever do would not be even a drop in that forgiveness. It’s in my Book. Trust me, if it were not for that forgiveness I would go mad, or continue down that path of evil until my hate filled end. I choose the path of the right, of the good, as I know there is somthing that I will give another that will make all the difference in their life and the lives of of all they know. It is a truth given to me by Him. Left up to me I would still be thinking of myself and me needs above all else.I know you don’t believe but still you teach me and your knowledge means much to me, don’t think I don’t value your council.
Well, you’ll believe what you want to believe. The important thing is that you’re not being rotten to people anymore. I can tell you that I know plenty of people who were assholes and changed their ways when they decided to change. They don’t look at it as a gift; it was a conscious decision backed by hard work and a desire to be a better person. And I vastly prefer that to the miracle change. It shows me that the person really wanted it and did the work.
If you’re talking about your behavior, then anything that helps you look at yourself is cool. I thought you were talking about something external, something you saw and didn’t understand. In that case, you’d soon find out that using science works a lot better.
As long as it changed for the better, no matter the reason, it is a drop in the bucket for good. Even if you don’t believe the reason for my change It is of no importance to me other than it is done and it benefits many who would be touched by my conversion to what is right. It may sound like lies to many and all I may say is that I thank God that He gives me the opportunity to stand for those who cannot stand for themselves.It is my lot in life and it is not what I would have chosen for myself. Hate and hostility is what I do best. I have had a lifetime of practice to perfect that trade. To stand for those who can not stand for what is right is now my greatest endeavor. Many times I grow weary of the persecution and hate that these words bring. Until I leave this world I will do what is right. As a man I can not worry of these child like things that this world would place upon me. Blast away, Haters ! Don’t deny yourselves! Aseptic ? this is your prime Hate fest! Please don’t disappoint me.
I defy you to point out a single post of mine, since I apologised to you, that could even remotely demonstrate that I hate you. I think you have a persecution complex. I think you’re are a little nuts. You are exasperating with all your talk of Him and how you were wicked but now all you want to do is love everybody. It is tiring to watch you bring your infantile and misguided concept of god into every thread. But no I don’t hate you. I feel sorry for you, I think you are pathetic and I think you need to climb down off the fucking cross we need the wood.
How odd that a thread griping about lekatt hijacking something itself has been hijacked.