Lesbian confusion

Hey Esprix! I have a cite, and a goodie. Found it through the Britannica search engine.

Publisher: National Opinion Research Center, University of Chicago, General Social Survey Topical Report No. 25, Updated December, 1998. The GSS is supported by the National Science Foundation.

It’s a PDF file so I can’t link to the exact section, but here’s the general link: http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/Library/sex.htm

Open it, scroll to the file’s page 8 (document page 7). There you’ll find, inter alia, the following:

“However, a series of recent national studies (Table 8A) indicate that only about 2-3% of sexually active men and 1-2% of secually active women are currently engaging in same gender sex. These national American esitmates are consistent with figures from local communities in the United States (cites ommitted), indirect measurements (cites omitted), and statistics from Great Britain, France, Norway and Denmark…”

“Studies of male and female homosexuality both in the United States and Europe regularly find a higher proportion of males are gay than the share of females who are lesbian (cites omitted).”

This particular paper doesn’t provide any attempt at an explanation, but at least it provides further cites (the ones I omitted :)) for the consistent raw data.

Yeah, for example on counterstrike. If you camp you get called gay. It doesen’t mean anything except being vaguely derogatory. At school if someone called me gay I would be extremely suprised if whoever said it actually meant homosexual.:smiley:

LaurAnge.
You are correct in that most hetero men see women having sex with each other as a serious turn-on while the same thing with a couple of men is very much the other way. Possibly unfair but there it is. How do women see it? Do they see two men making out as a turn-on and two women as horrible? Just curious.

Testy.

(Still looking for a good sig file.)

Pardon me for jumping in so late, but I’d like to respond to Grienspace’s original query. I was 29 when I came out, and it was as big a surprise to me as it was to anyone else! I know one person who came out, then advised her mother to come out, too. Yes, Mom was also gay, and didn’t know it. I think sexuality is more hard-wired in men than in women. Don’t get me wrong – there are ABSOLUTELY lots of gay women who start hankerin’ after girls very early on in life, and never look back. However, as has been stated in earlier posts, sexuality is a spectrum, and for women who are not way over on one end of the scale or the other, it may just be easier to recognize and acknowledge one’s attraction to men than it is to recognize one’s attraction to women because it is what we expect and what is expected of us. (Yes, there are self-described lesbians who are capable of being attracted sexually to some men some of the time. It just isn’t their primary orientation. I know women who are fairly bisexual when it comes to their physical desires, but who identify as lesbians because they prefer the social and romantic aspects of lesbian partnerships. In short, men are okay to have sex with, but women are more fun to wake up with in the morning.)

Also, before single parenting and lesbian parenting became acknowledged phenomena, women who were strongly driven to become parents may have just been more likely to get into relationships with men because they didn’t see any other way to get what they really wanted. Later, when they recognized that something major was missing in their lives, they came out.

Finally, (and this next comment’s pretty harsh, but please don’t scorch my ears off), I think that there are some women who enjoy the security of being with a man and are willing to live a lie in order to while sleeping around with women on the side. I, for one, regard this as cowardly and appalling. (This is not to say that there are not gay men who do the same thing, because there are.) However, I do not think that this is the kind of situation that Grienspace was talking about.

Putting that aside, I do think that women as well as men are recognizing their sexual orientations earlier on in life due to media exposure and the increasing normalization of gay sex. Consider the recent spate of gay kids taking their dates to the prom, and gay/straight alliance clubs in high school. As being gay becomes safer, girls as well as boys will stop thinking of homosexuality as something scary and foreign, and will be more likely to recognize and act upon their own lesbian potential where it exists. So my guess is that there will be less of the “Granny coming out” phenomenon in the future than there has been in the past.

In my questioning of my female friends, I have found no absolute trend. It seems to be a person by person preference/fetish. One ,visciously hetero, loves the idea,
and would want to join in, but thinks that lesbians are, I quote,“icky”. She seems to parralel the generally accepted male viewoint of homosexuality. Where as my wife, agian a raging heterosexual, finds both activities equally distasteful,to her.
Then there are a couple of others ,from what I can gather in casual conversation, at least curious,if not actual practitioners, both married to men, state that they find it appealing.
long rambling, probably redundant, but my nickle’s worth, anyway
-L

Seems to me that this is just saying that gay men get more action than women, not that there are more of them…

…just a thought.

There is an interesting phenomenon in amateur fiction on the web. If you search through men/men erotica fiction archives, a majority of it is written by women. However, I’m not sure if the women like watching gay sex or prefer reading about it. After all, men tend to focus on the visual and women on the emotional.

And a totally valid one. I haven’t read any of these studies, so I don’t know if they were designed to deal with this (very elemental) bias.

When my college was amending its anti-bias policy in the mid-80s, there were passionate arguments over phrasing. The resulting compromise, “sexual or affectional preference,” tried to deal with the concerns of some women whose relationships with women weren’t primarily sexual. (The college has since adopted the more usual sexual orientation language.)