How do you expect to be taken seriously when you reject facts drawn from credible sources? It it impossible to argue rationally with you. You believe anything you want to believe.
This may be a fine point to some, but I’m going to go ahead and try to make it:
I don’t read that post of SA’s as racist, at all. He’s not talking about the “black race.” He doesn’t say anything, there, that requires a belief in the existence of such a thing, as a biological reality. He’s talking strictly about culture. You might think he’s wrong, you might even think he’s culturally prejudiced or knows not what he’s speaking of–but I believe it is unfair and inaccurate to characterize that post as racist.
Human cultures are real and meaningful, and change over time, and there’s nothing categorically wrong with the idea that Culture A is superior to Culture B by some standard, or that Culture C has declined while Culture D has improved. Really, I don’t know how one can take a broad and deep look at human history without recognizing these dynamics.
On the other hand, racism is always wrong. Not just bad, but factually incorrect.
It’s not my place to be taken seriously. It’s none of my business what you think of me. Folks who read my posts and realize where I’m coming from will take me seriously.
The notion that Saddam Hussein had WMD was reported to have come from “credible sources”. The notion that BP would honor the claims of those impacted by the most costly and most damaging oil spill in history was supposedly from a 'credible source".
How do you know that the sources are credible? Because they serve the agenda you are most willing to promote, that blacks are somehow more prone to crime, pregnancies, and degradation than white people? You do realize that a true New Deal Democrat would reject those positions, out of hand, so so much for representing your screen ID.
No. I believe what is logical. That blacks are no more prone to crime, pregnancy, or anything you may perceive as a “shortcoming” or an “undesirable attribute”, anymore than anyone else. That is precisely what racism does…deem that some are different from others, subject to segregation, and the ensuing mistreatment being justified. Before the Nazis could execute “The Final Solution”, they had to first “demonize” the Jews. Hello, somebody?
Easy for you to say. The Indian and Chinese immigrants to America, haven’t been demonized in a society that they were instrumental in creating, as American blacks have been. You seem to want to dismiss the institution of slavery, and further, its’ aftereffects. When the black male has been systematically emasculated to the point of believing that he is worthless, and hopeless, and the black female has been “sexualized” and “objectified”, even moreso than white females, white male domination is complete.
As Rosanne Barr explained…only a man (typically “white men”) would equate one inch, on a map, with 10 miles. I digressed.
Poverty is no excuse for crime? Easy for you to say, having never been hungry, undoubtedly, a day in your life. I love how folks love to talk about stuff they have no knowledge of. Especially, in light of the fact that you benefit from “white privilege” every of day of your life, though have never done anything remotely resembling being deserving of it.
BS. I have been on political debate forums for the past 5 years, and I don’t need anyone to clarify for me, what is or isn’t racist, or racism. I have experienced it, first-hand, overtly and covertly, in and out of forums.
And thank you for the lecture, but I attended college and am able to decipher data.
So poet, do you then believe in the biological reality of race? Does “black” mean something more than culture to you?
In answer to your first question:
In one of favorite books, “Winning through Enlightenment”, by Dr. Ron
Smothermon, of racism, he writes,
"Mankind has played a cruel joke on itself by exercising the ability
to adapt skin color to climatic conditions. There are certain areas of
the world where the intensity of sun exposure renders survival
difficult for white-skinned people. Man, the consummate survivor,
naturally figured a way around being fried by the sun. Merely disperse
the melanin pigment of the skin evenly, and develop a bit more of it,
and presto! Automatic protection from the sun.
Nature did this much. The mind of man did the rest. Of course skin
color isn’t the only physical characteristic humanity uses to divide
itself, but it serves admirably to demonstrate a principle.
Biologically speaking, the is no “race”, except at track meets. Race
is a false concept invented by the mind of man for the purpose of
dominating and manipulating others. The specific location of “race”
within the mind is in that is in that part known as “belief systems”.
A belief exists that there is a “natural” division of people. Resting
on this belief is a system of justification making it OK to segregate
some from others. Further justification makes it OK to think of the
other race as naturally inferior or whatever. Both of these are
positions or points of view. So the structure goes like this:
(1)The foundation stone is a belief called “‘Race’ is a natural
condition.” (2)This belief supports the justification “There is a
natural division of humankind”. (3) This gives rise to a point of view
called “They are naturally the way they are”. (4) This point of view
then
makes it possible to prepare people for mistreatment by segregation.
At that point, the whole thing surfaces and mistreatment is called
“mistreatment”. The important thing to realize here is that
mistreatment could not occur without its supporting structure.
This process can easily be applied to other areas of human
relationships wherein people are mistreated. And the root of it all is
a mind condition, namely, a belief. This belief is so ingrained that
for many people there is no such thing as questioning it. It is a
perfect example that the mind defines and shapes what we ordinarily
think of as reality. None of us are above it. You do it too, Even you.
Underlying even a belief such as " ‘race’ is a natural condition" is
the ground of being that we are the contents of our minds, and there
is no way we can ever be more than the sum of our parts. This is the
base lie that endarkens the world. You know, you can give up being a
racist and you will still be who you are. Your life will still be
naturally valuable. You will survive. The world will not end. And you
can still contribute to it. Treat people as who they are, not who you
believe they are. Finally, I want you to know the ultimate truth about
“race”: THERE IS NO SUCH THING."
In answer to your second question:
Indeed, “black” means more than culture to me…it means family, it means pride, it means understanding on a visceral level. It means cameraderie and connection…it means life.
All of that is assuredly included in my understanding of culture. “Culture” is a Big word to me, though it includes a lot of little things.
I like and agree with the preceding quote.
Wow. Thanks for giving me insight into the “special” kind cretin that NDD is.
What a racist and bigoted lowlife.
There are many arguments to be made about why there are differences among different groups: prejudice, lingering effects of slavery and Jim Crow, poor access to services, circular cumulative causation, unequally funded schools, cultural bias, etc.
Free flying paranoid fantasies is not one of them.
At least you are not guilty of attributing things to people based on the color of their skin.
You said that to say what? I don’t deal in “free flying paranoid fantasies”…neither do I entertain statistics which promote a distorted vision of the truth, for agendas’ sake.
Oh, I believe “when in Rome…”.
…do as the romans have done unto you" poet?
is continuing the cycle of hatred and abuse really what you want to do? Isn’t that kind of thinking/acting that forms generational blood-feuds and pyrrhic wars? Do you believe that gang wars are justified? Both sides have had atrocities done to them by the other countless times. When is it finally time to bridge the gap like Romeo and Juliet did and accept the other side?
That ended well.
What an idiot. You don’t know anything about black culture, much less rap or spoken word. Quit espousing as if you’re an authority. You are not, in the least.
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Heh, it’s like he never heard of R&B, an entire genre of AA music dedicated to unrequited love: Gnarls Barkley, Usher, Chris Brown, Pharrell, R Kelly, Nelly, Ashanti, Alicia Keys, Rhymes/Carey, the list goes on…
What makes you say those statistics are “lies” or that they were “collected by white men”.
Lots of government workers are black so it’s very possible that the people who compiled them were black, or, for that matter Hispanic or Asian.
I’m also a bit unsure why it’s considered wrong to call Barack Obama a nigger but OK to call Clarence Thomas “Stepen Fetchit”.
Both terms are racial slurs.
If you insist on using racial slurs against Justice Thomas, please be a bit more imaginative and call him something like “Clarence the Tom” or “Tom-assed Clarence”.
Beyond that, I’m not sure why Michael Eric Dyson is considered more representative of the black community than Bill Cosby. I seriously doubt Dyson is as remotely well-known or popular as Cosby.
Finally, such criticisms coming from someone who clearly despises both Fredric Douglas and Thurgood Marshall is quite rich.
What? Are you so dense you can’t get the quote down correctly?
“When in Rome, do as the Romans do”…not “as the Romans have done unto you”.
Hatred and abuse? “Generational blood feuds and pyrrhic wars”? What in the heck are you talking about?
Gang wars? WTF? I’m sure you think you know what you’re talking about…I assure you, I have no clue.
Indeed.
Oh, look, typical. You actually wrote out the n-word, and I’m sure your defense of it is that at least you didn’t direct it at anyone in particular. Any person who uses the word is either a racist or an idiot. Period.
What makes me say that those “statistics” are lies, is evidenced by the motives of the people trying to promote and perpetuate “lies”. As I stated before, all the claims surrounding Saddam Hussein having WMD, which led to the ill-conceived, “trumped up” illegal war against Iraq, on the basis of “statistics’ and faulty intel, is precisely which makes me question anybody attempting to indict an entire race of people as inherently 'criminal”, substandard, or inferior.
Your argument may hold water for you…it does not for me.
If you understood the meaning of words there wouldn’t be a necessity for you to bandy them about without pause, or inclination of what you are implying.
Me, calling Clarence Thomas or any conservative black an “Uncle Tom” is hardly racist, but cultural as well as political.
And it would behoove you not to assume that you know me…you do not.
I left a political debate forum precisely because white racists and bigots, effectively, took over the forum, besides calling me a racist in the process, which made absolutely no sense, whatsoever.