Let's talk polyamory

I’m not polyamorous but find the concept very interesting, and wouldn’t be adverse to the concept of being in one. Does anyone here know anyone that is in a poly relationship? I think the elements I find interesting are:

  1. Are the relationships in a poly between a single person and lots of other partners, or are the partners in a relationship with one another too? (i.e. John and Jane are in a relationship then Jennifer comes into it, is she Jane’s girlfriend too or just John’s?)

  2. Following on from that, do poly relationships cross sexualities? Is it common for a man to be dating a man an a woman simultaneously polyamourously? Or two women adding a man? Or more people in any kind of mixed-gender set up?

  3. Do polys typically form as relationships, or are some partners only there for sex? I can imagine the concept of a couple essentially having open relationships with boyfriends/girlfriends on the side, but is that more or less common than the other person being a member of an enlarged relationship?

  4. How do poly relationships begin? I suppose I could see it starting from an open relationship base and taking it to the next level with the third party being brought in as an equal partner.

  5. Is polyamory polygamy/polyandry by another name? Is it common for there to be lots of people in a relationship, or is it more likely just to be 3? Is there really a distinction between a man in a relationship with two stable female partners calling himself polyamorous and a man married to two wives who are polygamous?

  6. Is there a practical limit on a poly relationship? How many people can be in one? If you had a mix of the right minded people I could see lots of couples mixing together into one large poly group, or threes or fours or whatever.

  7. Or am I overthinking this an it’s all just poly - as soon as you have more than two people it’s a flavour of poly in the same way that it’s all icecream but just different flavours and toppings?

Thoughts/insights/experiences/resources to share?

I think the answer to most of those is “it depends”.

I’d highly recommend the documentary “When Two Won’t Do” – it takes an unvarnished look at a variety of polyamorous relationships, including that of the filmmakers.

I read “The Ethical Slut” a few months ago and am a bit fascinated by the idea as well. I want to bring it up to my boyfriend, but I don’t know how he’ll take it and don’t want to upset him, plus I’m not quite secure enough in my self-esteem to guarantee I won’t turn into a jealous harpy. I knew a couple in college who were polyamorous, so I’ll try to answer your questions based on my limited knowledge.

1. Are the relationships in a poly between a single person and lots of other partners, or are the partners in a relationship with one another too? (i.e. John and Jane are in a relationship then Jennifer comes into it, is she Jane’s girlfriend too or just John’s?)

A poly relationship is generally a regular couple with more people joining in, but if a single person just has a lot of partners, it wouldn’t be considered poly. If those partners are in a relationship, it is poly. It’s a bit confusing, but if there are at least two people in a couple with other partners coming into play, it’s poly. If Jennifer dates Jane, then she’s Jane’s girlfriend. If John and Jennifer don’t interact in a way that goes beyond friendship, John and Jennifer aren’t dating, but Jennifer and Jane are.

2. Following on from that, do poly relationships cross sexualities? Is it common for a man to be dating a man an a woman simultaneously polyamourously? Or two women adding a man? Or more people in any kind of mixed-gender set up?

Anybody can date anyone. If both participants in a poly relationship are bisexual (as were the couple I knew), the man can date a man or a woman, two women can add a man, two men can date a woman. The only limit is what people are comfortable with.

3. Do polys typically form as relationships, or are some partners only there for sex? I can imagine the concept of a couple essentially having open relationships with boyfriends/girlfriends on the side, but is that more or less common than the other person being a member of an enlarged relationship?

Again, this totally depends on the people involved. If I was in an open relationship, it would basically be my boyfriend and I involved romantically, with some different sex partners thrown into the mix. Then again, people can date more than one person at a time if they’re able to handle the emotions of everyone involved. I’m not sure which is more common, but I would imagine sexual relationships. One of the biggest fears of someone who is new to open relationships is that their partner will fall in love with a sex partner and leave them.

4. How do poly relationships begin? I suppose I could see it starting from an open relationship base and taking it to the next level with the third party being brought in as an equal partner.

Put two open-minded people together in a couple and odds are good that they will at least think about an open relationship. They might discuss it and lay down ground rules, then go searching for partners. Sometimes people who were mainly brought in for sex become so well liked by both people in the couple that the person becomes a romantic partner to both parties.

5. Is polyamory polygamy/polyandry by another name? Is it common for there to be lots of people in a relationship, or is it more likely just to be 3? Is there really a distinction between a man in a relationship with two stable female partners calling himself polyamorous and a man married to two wives who are polygamous?

Polygamy and polyandry refer to marriages where there are more than two people. Polyamory is more than two people dating or being involved. I would imagine that with more people being involved, there are more complications (time constraints, hurt feelings, details to work out), so there are probably fewer people in general. (Though the girl in the couple I knew had 5 girlfriends in addition to her boyfriend; how she found the time for all of them, I don’t know). The only distinction between the terms polyamory and polygamy is marriage, I believe.
6. Is there a practical limit on a poly relationship? How many people can be in one? If you had a mix of the right minded people I could see lots of couples mixing together into one large poly group, or threes or fours or whatever.

There are no real limits on poly relationships. Hell, there could be a hundred people who sleep with and date each other in various configurations. But at what point does it cross over into just a group of friends who sleep together? There could be one main couple, but most people have a hard enough time finding one person to date, let alone dozens. It really just depends on what people are cool with.

7. Or am I overthinking this an it’s all just poly - as soon as you have more than two people it’s a flavour of poly in the same way that it’s all icecream but just different flavours and toppings?

My defintion of poly is two people in a relationship who also date others; i.e. a couple who isn’t exclusive. There are many shades of poly that all fall under the same term; I recommend reading “The Ethical Slut” as it gives some basics as well as potential pitfalls. An increase in people usually equals an increase in drama, but if poly people are willing to deal with all that, more power to them.

I’m not poly, but I do have an opinion on this. The base requirement with poly is that at least one person is in a romantic relationship with two or more people and that all parties are aware of the arrangement… It is not required that everyone be in a relationship with one another. But it is required that there are two or more actual relationships involved. Neither an open relationship where someone has sex on the side, nor any form of adultery would count as poly.

For example, John is in a relationship with Jane. If he also has sex with Jessica on the side, that is just an open relationship. But if he’s also in a relationship with Jessica, then it’s poly. Unless Jane doesn’t know about Jessica or Jessica doesn’t know about Jane–that makes it adultery. It is irrelevant whether Jane and Jessica are also in a relationship. or ever have sex together. Or even have any interaction with one another.

I think that’s a good summation. I suppose my question is whether interactions between secondary partners happens regularly or not?

My mother is poly and talks about it a lot (sometimes I wish I didn’t know so much about that… heh). She only has one boyfriend, but he has multiple girlfriends (3 or 4, last I heard). There can be sharing of partners, but there doesn’t have to be (I’d guesstimate that it’s more common for married or very-long-term couples to share partners). My mom and her boyfriend don’t share partners. He wouldn’t mind if she had more boyfriends/girlfriends, but she’s objectively a very difficult person to spend any considerable length of time around (romantically or otherwise).

It’s nice if you can at least get along with your partner’s partners, and be friends with them. But that isn’t a given. There are a not-insignificant number of people in the pagan-poly community who are very dramatic and emotionally immature. And, in spite of claiming not to be prone to jealousy, a lot of people still get jealous and feel lonely when they aren’t the center of attention. And it’s extremely difficult to devote sufficient time to multiple partners if you have a full time job and/or kids. I believe a poly relationship can only work long-term for people who are very emotionally mature, super-laid-back, and don’t expect a single partner to be their “everything.”

There tends to be a lot of visceral disgust leveled at the poly community (omg they’re all old and fat and hairy!) from younger people, but young people aren’t usually laid-back or emotionally mature enough to pull off a poly relationship without hurting someone or getting hurt. It’s not a lifestyle that appeals to me at all, because I work full-time and the time commitment of one relationship is already more than I’m capable of committing to. But because my mom’s boyfriend is disabled and doesn’t work (he’s been legally blind all his life), he’s got plenty of time to split between girlfriends. Now that my mom just had her long-term disability approved (due to blindness as well), maybe she’ll have time and energy to find another guy.

I’m in a polyamorous relationship. It started as a casual, open relationship, then got more serious, but remained open. Both my partner and I have had relationships with other people, and I’m about to celebrate my first anniversary with my secondary.

Everyone goes about it in their own way. My understanding of poly relationships is that they are as varied as the personalities of the people who are in them. Most people do make the distinction that open relationships are about sex, and poly relationships are about making emotional connections with other people.

For us, we go with the primary/secondary system. My partner is my primary, and he is understood to be my main partner. My secondary is just that, which sounds harsh, but it is a system to ensure the health of the relationship that you are in every day.

They are two separate relationships. We have done some things together, but the mix hasn’t really worked for us. I’ve also done things with my partner and his secondary, but that mix isn’t quite right either. My secondary is in a poly marriage, and we’ve done things together, but once again, didn’t really work well. I could see the potential for poly people to end up in a love octagon, but it faces the same challenges finding a monogamous relationship would. Finding people you are attracted to, have things in common with, etc.

Is there regular interaction between my mom and her boyfriend’s girlfriends? No. She knows their names and sometimes they talk on facebook or say hi when her boyfriend calls them from her house, but they’re not friends. Ideally they would be, but my mom has difficulty holding down friends, and there’s some jealousy involved on both sides (mostly regarding time-management). It’s not an antagonistic relationship, per se, but it’s not what I would call friendly either.

I’m impressed that people can maintain healthy romantic and/or sexual relationships with more than one person. I find the idea of a poly lifestyle intriguing, and part of me is convinced that I’d be interested in pursuing one if my wife shared my interest (she doesn’t), but the realistic part of me knows that I wouldn’t have the time or energy to do so. We have a great marriage, but it’s not entirely effortless, and I suspect that some of what makes our relationship as solid as it is would suffer if I was putting energies into maintaining a relationship with another person as well. If you can do it, more power to you.

Having one spouse is sufficiently rewarding and demanding enough for me…I wouldn’t want to make my life more stressful.

Not poly myself, but I dated two poly women (who don’t know each other), and am friends with quite a few more.

Sometimes the nature of the relationships is very rigid and structured. The basic idea is that you have one “primary”, as many “secondaries” as your primary approves of, and a few “casuals.” The primary gets to meet all of your secondaries beforehand.

One friend is in an arrangement where two people not in a primary relationship can have sex, but one of their primaries must be present. To do otherwise is considered cheating.

ETA: As far as I can tell, bisexuality is pretty common in poly relationships. I only know one poly man who is bi, but every poly woman I know is.

The idea of maintaining a household with multiple people sounds hard and complex. My situation is not that difficult. I find that I feel more satisfied in a lot of ways. I tend to see it as a division of labor. We can all take care of portions of each other’s needs and no one is solely responsible for meeting one person’s needs. It can be time consuming, though.

Now that you mention it, most of my poly friends live in commune-like situations. One wants to get out of that arrangement, another wants to get into it. Maybe I should introduce them to each other…

The commune idea seems like a good idea theoretically. It does seem like the success would hinge on the participants. I don’t think I would like it, but you never know. I’d be interested to hear what communal living is actually like, good and bad. I would think the dynamics between people would be fascinating.

I’m in an open relationship, but I’m open to the idea of it becoming polyamorous. I’d imagine how that’s how they probably start. I doubt it will ever get to that point because it seems like I have all the emotional fulfillment from my boyfriend that I could ever want, and he from me, but maybe someday he’ll come to me and say “Hey this friend I’ve been fooling around with, I’m starting to get emotional feelings for him and he feels the same way for me. What should we do here?”

That’s not too far fetched, and I’d be open to them becoming romantically involved, as long as I still got to be a part of it all. I imagine the situation would be more comfortable if we could all feel romantically attached to each other, in a sort of triangle situation, but I don’t think I’d be upset if it was just the two of them doing their own thing.

whatever it is…it should noy be a.substitute for true love between two people…polyamory is just an adjustment for your desires…

I find such an idea extremely interesting - I met a trio of men once but didn’t get to really discuss the dynamics of their relationship, which is a shame as I’d find it fascinating. I guess the fundamental question is can three people love one another equally to the point where no-one is missing out? Particularly if it’s a gay relationship and everyone is expected to love one another? I was thinking about it and the part that I got stuck on was breaking up; would it be allowable for two of the three to decide they want to be together without the third? If I were doing this I think I’d say that I’d only be willing to go into it if we were all in together or all separated, otherwise I’d be too afraid of that outcome happening (which would make it unlikely to go ahead in that case).

It is. Tried that once–shared a house in a five-person poly relationship (three men, two women (including two married couples), all straight, and everyone was in a relationship with each opposite-sex partner). The household also included four children, a dog, and a cat. That was … chaotic is the best word I can think of.

It was fun while it lasted, but I wouldn’t try that again. Maybe without the children. I’m very happy right now sharing my household with just my wife and kids–other sweethearts have their own places.

I have some poly acquaintances, but no one I really know well enough to discuss it with. From their Facebook posts it seems like a trendy thing lately.

My big question: Do polyamorists have innately different sexual desires from monogamists (like the difference between being gay or straight, or having a particular fetish or not), or is it more like they have the same desires but play by different social rules?

I’m not sexually turned off by the idea of having two or more girlfriends, I just think such a relationship would have a much higher chance of failure and wouldn’t be worth the drama. I’m not a closet polyamorist, am I? I enjoy the monogamous relationship I’m in now, so I’ll stick with that. :slight_smile: