Well, life may not continue after physical death, but this thread sure does.:rolleyes:
I can’t any longer.
As some of you know I am an EtherPsychologist. My special area of research has been the non-corporeal-consciousness-field(NCCF), what laypeople call the soul.
I've had several papers published in Paradigma. This is a peer-reviewed journal of scientific discoveries of the Sons Of Ether. Sadly Paradigma has no site on the internet. It's site can be accessed only on the Digital Web and is thus, sadly, unavailable to somnabulists.
My research has revealed much. But, the follow are most germaine to this thread.
1 The NCCF does survive the physical death of the body.
2 It then disappears. I do not currently know where NCCF’s go. However both personal observations and ether-field-matter-energy-time-space-flux-sensor readings confirm that NCCF’s do depart through a portal of some kind. They are not vanishing, or dispersing.
3- The brain and the NCCF are mutually the seat of consciousness. Although I have been able to delve deeply into the brain/mind connnection, there is still much I do not understand. Damaging the brain will damage the NCCF and vice-versa. The brain is NOT simply a receiver of consciousness.
4- I have documented instances in which an individual’s NCCF will leave the body and travel in other actualities while the body is clinically deceased, only to return when the body is recussitated. This travel leaves a distinctive signature on the NCCF. I call this residual-energy-due-to-extracorporeal-travel, or simply “Heaven-Scent”.
5-Some NCCF’s bear similiar signatures due to high emissions of AlphaOmega waves. Deep spiritual devotion or exploration produces these waves. The waves attract non-corporeal-extraplanar-entities who exist in symbiosis with the host.
6- The two varieties of Heaven-Scent can be distinguished. The NCCF’s of PolyCarp and Zev Steinhardt both bear the second variety, but not the first.
7-LeKatt’s NCCF displays the second, but only faintly. The lack of Heaven-Scent 1, means that you have not had what is commonly called a “near-death-experience”. Further, your NCCF is rife with contamination by Progenitor substances. I strongly suspect you are under the influence of PsuedoTheine, or ScrewTape. This drug simultaneously produces the illusion of spiritual experiences while preventing the actual use or development of spirituality. There is no subtstance which can counter ScrewTape. However, a deep spiritual seeking in which the individual discards all preconceptions, opens their mind to all possibilities and questions all that they hold true can negate ScrewTape.
8-Though I make references to Heaven, I have no proof of its existence. The NCEPE which live with Zev and PolyCarp look and behave much like the description of angels. However, I can not say whether our description of angels derives from these NCEPE’s or whether they have mimicked that description. While I believe in a benevolent supreme being, I have not found any evidence that would support this belief.
Wow, there is nothing left to be said. You have diagnosed me with ScrewTape without being anywhere near me. I am impressed.
You have also said that I didn’t have an NDE.
I don’t know what to say, most posters just want to criticize or attack what they don’t understand, but you understand it all.
However, it really makes no difference what one thinks about gravity, it just keeps on working anyway. Whatever is real and true will still be real and true after all the words are said.
We can only try to understand in our humble way the mysteries of life. Lead on, oh masters of all knowledge.
Love
Leroy
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Actually, I have diagnosed you with Pseudotheizine poisoning. It is referred to as ScrewTape due to a passage in C.S. Lewis’ book in which the demon advises using a false image of God and false prayers to keep humans from contacting God through actual prayer.
As far as being near you, using my Ether-field-wireless-modem I project my NCCF into the Digital Web. The SDMB is represented on the DW by a grid-room. Through this grid-room, I have direct access to the NCCF’s of all members who are currently logged in. Am I near you? Well, my body’s in Philadelphia. My NCCF is in the Digital Web, which in the strict sense does not exist in a physical form. However, while in this grid-room I can look at your NCCF as easily and clearly as if I was standing next to you.
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I’m going to do multiple diagnostics on my equipment and triple-check my findings. It’s possible I’ve got a bad vacuum tube or that sunspots are causing interference. Testing my equipment will take quite a while. But, if my previous reading proves to be in error, I apologize in advance.
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I could respond with clarification of the limits of my knowledge. But instead, I'll just say:
Yep.
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Exactly. Your denial of ScrewTape poisoning doesn’t make it go away. Your claim that I diagnosed you sight unseen, doesn’t change the fact I saw your NCCF with my own eyes and through several field scanners.
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That’s what we’re trying to do. There is a war being fought all around you. But you can’t see the troops massing, hear the shots being fired, or smell the burning bodies. I’m not trying to imprison you in a world of materialism. I want to show you the prison you’ve been in all these years. I will show you the walls. Then, I shall give you wings that you might fly free.
OK, now this thread is officially “really bent”. I think I’m just gonna go and live life on life’s terms.
QtM
The horror! The horror!
Soon NDE’s will become the fad, like drag racing to the Beach Boys…
Clearly, marijuana cannot get you there.
Of course, it would be better if you didn’t have to nearly die to see the obvious.
In the words of St. John of Lennon
(i)Life goes on, within you and with out you…(/i)
I have this thing, I bought it on eBay, it looks a lot like a volt-ohm-meter. I can’t really tell what it once was, I can see a scratched out engraving. I can make out the letters “The an” but that’s all. Anyway, when I logged into the SDMB today I had it on my desk and around 6:20 the needle jumped out the side. I’ve never seen it move before, but it really embedded itself in the far side. Dented the case and everything.
Enjoy,
Steven
Doc
ugh, I think I will stay just when I am. Pretty peaceful here.
I have been called a lot of things, but I usually knew that it meant. Don’t want to hurt your feelings, however, I don’t think you have a clue as to what is going on with NDEs. You remind me of the typical fundy christian yelling demons and devils are everywhere. If I don’t see them, they arn’t there and I consider it a plus.
Go away.
Leroy
Doc
ugh, I think I will stay just when I am. Pretty peaceful here.
I have been called a lot of things, but usually knew that it meant. Don’t want to hurt your feelings, however, I don’t think you have a clue as to what is going on with NDEs. You remind me of the typical fundy christian yelling demons and devils are everywhere. If I don’t see them, they aren’t there and I consider it a plus. Suggest you get a few positive things going for you. And in the meantime, go away.
Leroy
OMG, Mtgman! I’ll bet anything that there’s a T missing from the word scratched on that case! Do you know what that is??!!! It’s obvously a device for the detecting the prescence of Body Thetans!!! Maybe even Out-of-Body Thetans!!!
:::is in awe:::
[side whisper] Psst… who set it off? [/side whisper]
:::eyes the crowd suspiciously while backing away:::
DocCathode, when you’re done in the grid-room, my NCCF really has to go, bad. And spray some Lysol before you leave, please.
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‘Hey, Lekatt! Full Pardon! You can leave this filthy cell and be free!’
‘Nah. I like living in a cramped and filthy cell.’
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Wrong again. Most scientists can only observe the physical body. My abilities and equipment allow me to observe the non-corporeal-cinsciousness-field. Thus, I can be certain whether someone’s NCCF leaves their body or not. I have more than a clue. I have verifiable evidence.
Now, that’s just rude
Don’t want to get to far into this because it’s not going anywhere.
If you or anyone could really do that, I think I would have heard about it before now. If you have verifiable evidence, in what form would that be? People everywhere leave their bodies. In fact, everyone does it frequently during sleep without knowing they do. Waking up disoriented, the feel of falling a great distance, flying dreams, skimming along the ground dreams are all out of body clues. Waking up really refreshed and feeling good is an out of body indication. The spirit never sleeps, doesn’t need to, frequently leaves the body to do other things, the eyes are moving like crazy trying to follow the action (REM) due to the still intact energy connection, sometimes called the silver cord. Most people just blot out the memory of this because they have been told it can’t happen, others call it dreams or lucid dreams. What you see in the spirit world can’t be translated into physical words and thoughts so it comes out usually all mixed up. Science seems to think it is unimportant because they can’t get a handle on it and it doesn’t make money.
How could all this be measured by you, but no one else.
Near Death Experiences happen when the body is clinically dead.
At that point things really begin to happen, meeting deceased relatives, talking to Masters, accelerated learning and understanding of the nature of life. ALL DONE IN UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR EVERYONE.
You have probably recorded all that and know everything about it, yes.
Well, I still personally don’t think you know anything about NDEs.
Seems to me that everyone knows everything about them but the experiencers.
Leroy
Oh yes,
I do remember reading C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters, or something like that, I will have to review it, been to many years ago. C. S. Lewis was a religious writer, very conserative. He has been quoted on this board by His4Ever and other fundamental Christians.
I am a little slow sometimes, but I am beginning to understand where you’re coming from.
I think you would do better by reading Paul Tillich.
Leroy
This article in the Los Angeles Times for 21 sep 2002 references a published paper about "out-of-body and NDE’s
If you just set back and wait, sooner or later someone will come up with a scientifically derived tentative explanation for things. That speculation will be further tested and will be accepted if it passes the tests. People who meet up with an unusual experience and immediately jump to a supernatural explanation foreclose any further investigation. They have the answer so why look further? On the other hand, refusing to accept the supernatural view means that further investigation is done and the historical fact is that one is found sooner or later. And the one that is found fits within our extant body of knowledge.
Are NDE’s real? If the explanation in the story holds, then of course they are “real.” They are just as “real” as any other product of the brain’s activity. Do NDE’s mean that a person has actually nearly died? No, because the part of the brain that involved can apparently create and NDE whether or not death is near.
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As I’ve touched on previously, I have a piece of equipment which records states of matter/energy/time/space. If you’re willing to take 5 years of theoretical physics and quantum engineering, I could explain the specifics. I have given schematics for the device to other Scientists (mostly other Ethericians, but some Virtual Adepts, Void Engineers, and even Euthanatos have been interested). They have verified that my equipment produces reliable, accurate and reproducible readings.
You haven’t heard of my research because the GreyFaces don’t allow it. To briefly sum up the nature of reality- Reality is defined by belief. Some beliefs and some believers are more powerful than others. A human who has actualized their meta-conscious mind can alter reality through an exerise of will.The Technocracy(GreyFaces is derogative term. They hate it because it fit’s them so well.) is a group of Atualized humans who use their power to fix reality into a grey, ordered tedium. This reality is accepted by non-Actualized humans. Were I to demonstrate abilities, or objects which violate that reality to an NAH, it would cause a dangerous conflict of physical laws. This effect, called Paradox, prevents my sharing my research with any non-Actualized human.
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And the moon is made of cheese.
My research has shown that the NCCF rarely leaves the physical body. The overwhelming majority of people who claim to experience astral projection, or NDE HAVE had an experience. But that experience is due entirely to their neurochemistry.
Your average doctor does have a handle on this.
The secondary and tertiary levels of the Ether-field, what you would call the spirit world-despite the fact that it has two distinct parts, can indeed be seen, heard, and understood by the human mind. That you claim otherwise, makes me even more certain that you've never been there.
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Plenty of others can get the same data I have. But no non-Actualized human can. My research has been verified. My findings were published in Paradigma, the peer-reviewed journal of the Etheric Sciences. Again, Paradox prevents my showing you a copy.
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Again, I’ve found that many NDE’s are the result of the nervous system shutting down and restarting. They are purely neurological in nature. Only rarely does the NCCF leave the physical body and enter the “spirit world”.
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Damn straight
You know what sensations you experienced. I know what caused those sensations. Simply having an experience does NOT make you an expert as to its causes and nature.
For example:
Being bitten by a rattlesnake does not give you knowledge of the species mating, feeding, or other habits, where the species can be found, the chemical composition of its venom, etc.
All you know is that a venomous snake bit you.
Taking LSD will cause a halucinatory experience. But taking LSD does not give you information as to how or why Hoffman first synthesized it, it’s chemical structure, how it is manufactured, the nature of its interaction with human neurochemistry, etc. All you know is that you had a trip.
You saw, heard, and felt things which you describe as an NDE. This does not mean you know what caused those sensations. I agree with many other posters that the cause was purely neurological. My reading of your NCCF supports this hypothesis.
RE-CS Lewis
Before you begin making more erroneous assumptions about me- I am most definitely not a conservative Christian. I am a liberal Jew. I disagree with Lewis on a great many things. However those theological issues are properly the topic of other threads.
To David
Pam was brain dead for two hours, no activity of any kind, any where. In my book that’s dead. NDEs happen when people die. The brain has nothing to do with the experience because it is not working. It is dead. Numerous accounts are on record, people coming back to life while in the morgue for hours, one claims three days, no not Jesus, a russian. There is a ton on documented info on this. If you don’t believe it, that’s ok, just don’t tell me about what my experience was. I have had a belly full of that.
To Doc
How did I already know it would be “just to difficult” for me to understand. That is one of the oldest scams known.
Don’t tell me about my experience, when you have one, things will not be difficult anymore, they will be so simple you just can’t believe it. And you probably won’t.
Leroy
OK, DocCathode
Maybe I was a little hard on you. But I thought of a way for you to prove what you say.
I will give you five names: Pam Reynolds, Betty Law, Herman Brown, Amy Kattein and Tom Sawyer.
Just give me a reading of the consciousness of the above names and I will give you the verifiable details of whether of not they had NDEs. Fair enough.
You could do it with just my name, so you should be able to do it again with the names above. If you are correct, I will apologize for every thing I thought about you, and take a close second look at the work you are doing.
Leroy
Don’t tell me what I mustn’t tell you.
Just trying to help you into the 21[sup]st[/sup] century. But then I went back and looked at your previous posts and now realize that is a futile effort.
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You don't have verifiable details of whether these people had NDE's. You may have verifiable medical records. But records of the physical body are not records of the NCCF. Your medical records will likely show that you were clinically dead for a brief period. They will not show whether or not your non-corporeal-consciousness-field left your body during that time. My readings show that your NCCF does not have the signature that a journey to the secondary or tertiary layer of the Ether-field (the "spirit world". The primary layer is the physical universe). Therefore, your NCCF never made such a journey. Your NDE was purely neurological in nature.
Read my previous posts again. I can easily access the NCCF of anyone currently logged in to the Straight Dope Message board. In the 1940’s a group of Sons Of Ether and Virtual Adepts created a new layer of the Ether-field. This is called the Digital Web. The Digital Web is a place of information and ideas. In it, physical distance is not a hindrance. This message board is represented by a grid-room in the Digital Web. Viewing the SDMB from that grid-room allows me to see the NCCF’s of all logged in users.
I don’t have the ability to analyse an NCCF by name alone. I never claimed that I did.
How could you take a second look at my work? You haven’t taken a first. You’re not a subscriber to Paradigma. You can’t have read so much as a single article of mine. Further, to show them to you would result in a rather nasty Paradox event.