And I agree, to a point. The opinions of others here HAVE, in the past, caused me to question, and yes, change my beliefs. But that is not what we’re talking about.
What we’re talking about is gratuitously inserting degrading, pornographic, and abusive scenarios about women in places where they serve no purpose other than the (admitted) sexual gratification of a specific poster.
I can handle being offended. What I can’t handle, nor will I tolerate, is being degraded by virtue of my being a woman because a poster gets off on it. And this board should not, in my opinion, allow one popular person’s sexual fetish become acceptable in public discourse.
“…is getting off on that unsavory content and really getting off on shocking/surprising people with it with innocuous sounding thread titles”.
For me, it seems like he REALLY likes surprising people by threadshitting rape/torture/incest porn in his own threads, completely out of the blue.
Mods: Evil Captor got a full-on topic ban for posting disgusting misogynistic rape fantasies everywhere. I’m not even suggesting something that severe for Skald. Why not just make him label his disgusting crap at minimum? If you want it on the board, he can post the perverted stuff all he wants in his own threads…as long as they’re labeled to warn off people who don’t get into surprise rape porn.
I don’t think anyone has complained about a factual question that explores sex or sexual issues. A thread on transgendered men and their sex drive wouldn’t offend if it was seeking factual answers, or discussing problems they face. They are real life events, real situations, real people. And they are appropriately titled hopefully.
Fenris has pretty clearly expressed what is happening here with respect to the posts in question. They are not exploring real life situations. That has to be a major consideration in moderating the same.
Fenris, serious question. Why should he be allowed to do it here at all? Surely there are other places on the internet where this type of behavior is not only allowed, but encouraged?
That’s not what this place claims to be about, is it?
We’ve (as a whole) discusssd almost every topic under the sun at this board, and have done so in ways that haven’t been as insulting, belittling, and degrading as the posts we are referring to. Why can’t TPTB just tell him to stop it? There are no redeeming qualities, nor justifications for that type of content. It adds nothing to any hypothetical - period.
I’m not saying they should allow it and frankly, I agree with you. But this is a board where it took them like ~8+ months of agonizing to merely Caesario to stop posting his toddler-rape fantasies all over the board because “O noes! Free speech!”. And then like another 3 months* to finally ban him…for failing to follow the topic ban (IIRC), not for posting toddler-rape fantasies.
Given that, the chances of them telling Skald to knock it the hell off are near zero. But getting them to get him to label his threads? Possible. So I figure, at least this way it’s quarantined. I’d rather he not post it at all, but realistically, based on board history, there’s a much better chance it’ll be enacted.
So it was indeed a personal beef with one poster, and so, Morgenstern, you instead made it into a general principle as if it happened here all the time, requiring others to make the case you deliberately omitted.
If one person, apparently Skald, is acting jerkishly, then the mods should take action against that one person. Since I don’t know the particulars I’m not about to make any recommendations for what the mods should or shouldn’t do. There would seem to be a number of good possibilities.
Why you couldn’t come out and say any of this remains a mystery.
My objection to it is that I get the distinct impression that I’m being used to facilitate someone else wanking. I’m a grown ass woman, and a granny–I’ve had sex, had my adventurous moments and done some shit. I’ve also been raped way more times than I like to even think about, and a lot of it was done with a ton of gaslighting intended to make me normalize the behavior in my head. I do NOT wish to be involved involuntarily in another person’s sex life again no matter who they are or what they’re into. I don’t want surprise dick pics in my text messages. I do not want to see (yet again) some creepy bastard jerking off in his car pacing me in the next lane with the dome light on. And I really don’t want to be reading along and HEY PRESTO HUMILIATION AND DEGRADATION PORN!!! It’s nasty and slimy and I get flashbacks to way too many times when I got caught just like that but IRL. I like it less when a man does it, but if it was a woman posting the same shit I’d have an equal level of distaste for it.
I am sick and tired of being told that if I don’t want to be inadvertently involved in other people’s sex lives that I have to manage my entire existence to avoid what ought not to be a public spectacle in the first place. I think it makes way more sense to tell the smaller group of exhibitionist jacks in the box to knock that shit off rather than expecting everyone ELSE to “get over it” or “ignore it” or be told “you have no right to be bothered by this, see, I think it’s fine and YOU’RE TOO SENSITIVE.”
I have no problem discussing sex and sexuality and in fact have gotten a lot of “WTF did you really SAY that?” because I’m not shy about using my words and don’t quail at factually discussing the anatomy or psychology of sex. What I WILL NOT TOLERATE, however, is even the smallest whiff of someone engaging me on that level in order to satiate their own prurience. NO. I am not your fleshlight, fuck right off with that.
This board has a problem of that nature, and as per usual The Menz are buzzing and swarming to assert their rights to say any nasty thing they like and if it bothers women that’s our problem and JUST IGNORE IT GAH. And if TPTB decide they want it that way, well, fine. But if you wonder why this place is such a sausage fest echo chamber, that’s a big reason why. We had to fight like madwomen just to be able to discuss shopping for bras without being constantly harassed about it and once that stricture was in place it definitely improved the experience of women posters. This is another Boobie-Gate. And it really ought to be settled.
What you apparently see as a devious attempt by Morgenstern to hide his actual agenda, I see as an attempt to engage in reasoned, impersonal debate about principles without getting sidetracked by (potentially) biased feelings about an individual poster. It was a nice try - but obviously it didn’t, and probably couldn’t work. Still, I applaud the effort.
And the problem isn’t that the topic is offensive, it’s that it’s being constantly intruded by stealth in apparently innocuous threads that seem to serve as stalking-horses for one poster’s proclivities: if they were titled “I Want To Discuss Rape Porn”, they’d at least have the virtue of honesty.
I’m a new member here, I only just signed up. I came across a “hypothetical” thread by the poster referred to above, and then the one in the pit about that poster being annoying (or whatever). I would prefer properly descriptive thread titles of what the thread is about. Where there’s extraneous nonsense and irrelevant details that mean it isn’t going to be an interesting discussion about a topic, I’d prefer some warning in the titles so I can ignore those threads I know I won’t be interested in. If that means "nsfw’ tags or “would you trust this lesbian waitress” instead of a more general title, then I’d prefer that. Properly descriptive titles doesn’t seem like a huge ask of members of a discussion forum, IMO.
Isn’t this from the person who was harassing & stalking a female member of this board? My aren’t we black & sooty said the pot to the kettle.:rolleyes:
That’s not good to know. But how would anybody know that from the responses in this thread, every one of which were about one person and one type of posts?
And how can anybody discuss a possible solution if only one person and one type of posts keep being the only focus?
If Morgenstern really wanted to expose a pervasive problem, he picked the worst way of going about it. No reasoned debate could emerge from it.
Why don’t one of you start a new thread that lays out the actual situation and bring the rest of us up to speed so that a reasoned debate can start?
