MrDibble is a dishonest hypocrite who I’m responding to after I responded to Huey’s interesting post about the wypipo.
And interesting that you bring up history as propaganda. What do you propose as the accepted source of propaganda then? That which supports your currently indoctrination?
No, you are dishonest. You do not argue or discuss issues in good faith. You twist other people’s words. You have no intention of seriously considering their points or points of view.
You consistently perpetuate a race-based stereotype, that of the angry ignorant and arrogant white American.
“The” accepted source? I do not know if that phrase is more ignorant or arrogant.
There are many sources of historical information; people should review as many as they have time and resources for, while always remember that history is written by the ‘winners’.
Such irony. It burns! Every time I post in the Pit my words are twisted and deliberately misinterpreted. Let’s assume what you say is true, for sake of argument, purely hypothetical, you think I’m obligated to uphold a higher standard?
But, I do consider their points of view. I responded to Huey’s anti-white and racist post with facts. True facts, real news. Not fake news. Facts you can find if you hop on your bike and go to your local library to read about. The problem with the facts I present is that they undermine the cult of victimhood.
If you built your life around fighting the evil white man because of what some white people did back in the day it’s terribly inconvenient to have pointed out that your own ancestors were doing the same damn thing. That’s why the “honest” people you are so gallantly white-knighting immediately resorted to profane ad-hominems. They know that factually and logically their position has no consistency. That’s why they engage in hostile rhetoric. It’s emotional manipulation designed to trigger a Pavlovian response whenever the attack word of “dat’s racist” or “sexist” or whatever are shrieked. Dribble and others could easily refute my statements with the so-called real facts if I was wrong.
The fact that they responded with ad hominems and 0 cites is evidence that I’m not.
Back to some semblance of thread topic:
That reads more like being rich and a woman helped her avoid prison.
This was probably meant for Ambi, but we both felt the same way. His response covers mine as well.
To reiterate, autism is a series of poorly understood, intermingled disorders. The result is disability that ranges from slightly different from NT and highly functioning to completely infantile. It is not a state of being. It is not a core of the personality.
So your statement is confusing to me. Are you saying that his personality would be different if he weren’t autistic? Maybe. I would love him regardless in hypothetical magic land. Are you saying that his experiences would be different? I certainly hope so. His life has been a minefield of specialists, counselors, special ed, OT, and on, and on. He is desperately unhappy at times because other kids think he’s weird and at other times doesn’t care at all. He is an amazing, wonderful kid with horrible disabilities. Why wouldn’t I want to spare him that? Out of some selfish sense that it might cost me the relationship I have my child now (in hypothetical magic land)? I would have a different one, and I would love him all the same.
No, I don’t. You’re the one who said that you wouldn’t cure them even if you could, which is when I excoriated you, because I think that’s irresponsible parenting. Nice try pinning it on Huey though.
I’m not entirely sure what your’e on about. I explained your stupid magic cure to covfefe. I reiterated covfefe’s arguments back to him, and accepted the ones that I acknowledge exist in the real world. Again, his comments addressed the real world and your situation was hypothetical.
Also, you’re a hateful person and he’s a decent one. You also can’t read.
I admit that I didn’t take enough time to explain this as someone of your intellect requires. Anti-vaxxers don’t follow medical practice because of nonsense reasons that have been thoroughly de-bunked. You would not treat your child(ren) if you could for life-changing disabilities because “It is an essential part of his self”. The very of definition of woo encapsulated right there. Anti-vaxxers are idiots. You are also an idiot. You are now part of the woo, idiot crowd.
Huey I missed the part where you said that SlackerInc’s autistic child(ren) were some kind of curse. Knock that shit off. Disabilities are not fair game. Children are not fair game. Rip into SlackerInc all you want, thusly. SlackerInc is a vacuous thick-headed derelict whose birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.
(Also, sorry for the hijack. :o)
Did I say race was imaginary? C’mon, I know even you can read better than that.
Only my White ancestors, I’m afraid.
Oh, third time is suuure to be the charm, you betchya.
Do you know the definition of insanity, octopus? Because you’re providing a textbook example with this repeated lame attempt at a smear. I know it rankles you, a brown man with a vocabulary you can only dream of. But green isn’t a good colour to go with those robes…
*I *wasn’t the one who brought up IQ, simpleton.
This is the lamest attempt at tu quoque I’ve ever seen.
And you *could *help your brain structure - just stop digging *quite *so deep in your nose when you chase those boogers, it might help.
Or not, I’ve heard syphilis does terrible things to a mind. If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a hundred times - just because it’s your cousin, doesn’t mean you don’t have to wear a rubber.
:rolleyes: No, that’s be what you racists do, octopus. Like I said, plenty of non-evil, non-racist Whites helped end slavery. You don’t get to grab their glory.
But hey, nice proofreading, genius.
No, your words are not twisted. I have seen rational extrapolation from your post brought to logical conclusions, and a few reducio ad absuram responses, but no deliberate mischaracterizations. You really are that unpleasant and racist and sexist. Stop playing the victim.
I don’t know to which post of yours you refer with “I responded to Huey’s anti-white and racist post with facts”, but your style is to present one incomplete fact of dubious relevance out of context. There is no reason to refute your statements; they have no substance; your facts are immaterial or mischaracterized; and your arguments are not honest.
Your use of the term “fake news” also casts doubts on your veracity. Did someone accuse you of posting fake news? I missed that.
You dismiss “what some white people did back in the day” as immaterial while citing citing actions of others three to four centuries earlier to support your position. Do you really not see how dishonest that is?
People attack you with profanity because this is the Pit, and you are not a good person. You use fake vernacular in your posts.
And don’t you fucking dare accuse me of white-knighting, you miserable son of a bitch. Don’t. You. Dare.
What he’s saying is exactly what those autistic people who are able to commuincate actually say. There is a huge resentment of the idea that they need to be “cured” and made neurotypical. A huge portion of them say that, if there was a “cure,” they would not take it, because being autistic is such a core part of their personality and completely shapes how they look at the world. They feel they would become different people if they were neurotypical.
This isn’t something SlackerInc made up. Just a quick look on Google found this article. There are full out organizations for autistic people that agree with him.
I’m not going to say that wanting a cure is wrong, per se. I can even see an argument that it depends on how high functioning the person is. I can argue that they should be able to make a decision for themselves if possible, and that parents can choose otherwise.
On the other hand, I do see the point of trying to teach how to cope and to work on individual symptoms rather than trying to turn the person neurotypical. I can see how wanting a cure can be a problem.
As such, I would never tell SlackerInc that he is wrong to be on the side that opposes cures. Hell, I would never even think it was my place to accuse him of abusing his children–I don’t know him.
Sure, he’s dangerously wrong about racism, Islamophobia, and similar topics. But I don’t want to give him a victim complex by acting like a legitimate, widely held, and well-backed position is horrible.
It’s not even *appropriate *fake vernacular, that’s the truly pathetic part.
But hey, at least I got an actual “shrieked” that time, not a “squawked”. Good times. It was Mighty White of **octo **to do that for me.
Am I white knighting you? I thought I was just disagreeing with a jerk.
Gods, no, we’re good. 
Big T there is a difference between a functioning adult saying that they accept who they are and do not want to change it, and a parent making a decision about a cure for a child. Accepting my child is not neurotypical, and loving my child for who is now, does not mean that I am abrogated from my responsibility to enable him to live his best life as an independent adult.
Talking about autism as though it is a gift is very analogous to talking about deafness as a gift in my opinion. Do some people feel that way? Obviously they do. In our hypothetical world (AGAIN), SlackerInc is denying his child medical care and I think he’s an asshole.
Try this one: a child has Down’s Syndrome - do you “magically” cure it? It won’t be the same. Not all children with Down’s Syndrome are equally disabled. Not all children with Down’s Syndrome want the same things. Some children with Down’s Syndrome grow up to adults who accept that Down’s Syndrome is part of who they are, who believe it’s important, that it offers them abilities and insights that neuro-typical people don’t have. You’re the parent. Your infant, 3 y.o., 8 y.o. has just been diagnosed with Down Syndrome (here in hypothetical land) - do you magically cure it? Why or why not?
This. Dear god, this. There’s a reason autism spectrum disorders are considered, yanno, disorders. I’m on the spectrum in a very mild way, and I still wish I could “fix” that, because I constantly have to deal with it. I have to constantly find ways to work around just how bad I am at reading other people. This has left me with some serious social anxiety issues, and depression. Seriously, autism sucks. And that’s minor - more severe cases involve people who are basically completely incapable of functioning in society. It’s not merely neurodivergence, it legitimately is a matter of disorder.
Only your white ancestors? I call fiction. You honestly believe black Africans weren’t and aren’t slavers? That’s ridiculous. None of what you says makes any sense.
I did. And other than repeating more retarded nonsense you can’t do a damn thing about it. Potty mouth.
Dude, you seriously need to give the “potty mouth” thing a rest. It’s really just making you look dumb at this point.
We know it’s not the words themselves that bother you–you use them in other contexts. And it’s obviously not the sentiments, as evidenced immediately above.
SO what on earth do you think you’re achieving? It’s not “triggering the libs,” it’s not teaching anyone a lesson about deportment (not that you are one to teach that lesson anyway), it’s just stupid as fuck.
Of course there is. I can continue to engage you, pointing out your poor arguments and hypocrisy, your casual and explicit racism, probably sexism and assorted phobia, and there is not a damn thing you will do about it, because you will not leave this post as long as there is one person disagreeing with you and pointing out your errors.
Shit for brains.
Please cite where I called it a “gift” or kindly STFU.
BigT, I liked that article—thanks for sharing. The analogy with homosexuality is interesting and something I hadn’t thought of. It makes sense, particularly since being gay can make it more difficult to “fit in” until you find others of your “tribe” who approach the world in a similar way as you do.
So you maintain that it’s the correct impulse? :dubious:
And if it doesn’t matter that we’re Democrats, what was the purpose of your comment about voting?