Sigh. What a pity. A sick Ringer-esque burn wasted on a South African who probably thinks soccer (“footie”), with its nil-nil ties, is the epitome of thrilling entertainment. :smack:
Do I strike you as the kind of person who gives a toss about soccer as entertainment? And seriously - “footie”? You’re a fucking idiot. Go back to watching your Netball for Grown-ass Men Dressed like Toddlers. Real entertaining, I’m sure.
Well, it’s pretty silly. And if we’re counting niche religions with 20th century origins I suspect a lot exist that have caused no more harm than Wicca. But I was being a little harsh I suppose; scolding people for not knowing about the rule of three rubbed me the wrong way.
Really? You believe extraordinary muscle mass and aggression in a women is just as likely or common to be a source of sexual attraction in mainstream American Man as perky breasts and a flat stomach? Or blonde hair, tan skin and a tight butt? Or, a tiny waist and a big ole juicy booty? I’m not gonna say you’re wrong and I’m right, after all, we’re just trading opinions and anecdotes. But in my experience, even my friends in interracial relationships and marriages (and I have several) the same foundations of conformity seem to hold true. But as you well know, anecdotes arent data. And im by no means suggesting that other sources of attraction arent common, not at all. I’m just arguing that there is an arbitrarily decided upon standard that has been beaten into the American psyche for multiple decades. Heck, it probably has roots centuries back. And while it has morphed at the perimeters, the foundation has never really moved.
What are you afraid of risking by just speculating as to what you think might be the most commonly lusted after physical traits of women in American society? There is no right or wrong answer. No “bigoted” or “racist” or “ignorant” answer that reflects poorly on your character. Maybe I am being dense or myopic here, in all seriousness. You really cannot say any type of physical attribute or quality is valued by men-in aggregate-more than others? You think than men who are into unshaven armpits are just as representative of the average man as men who are into shaved armpits? Or men who are in to women bodybuilder-type physiques are just as common as men who are into petite, lithe physiques?
The comparative questions could go on but I know you get my point. I am truly baffled that you genuinely feel this way. I dont think basing your answer solely on the input of the people you converse with in your life should be the criteria you use. Media, television, public discourse, political happenings, news affairs, people watching, porn preferences, movie plots, literature, blogs, research data, a critical eye towards foreign cultures, as well as your own personal life anecdotes; all of this should be able to inform such an in-tune, intelligent person with such a paucity of ill-informed judgment.
Honestly, i often marvel at your ability to remain gracious and even-keeled in the face of blatant hostility. It’s truly impressive. The only person ive known with similar resevoirs of a very particular and unsung variety of what it means to be a man, at least similar to the shades of that which come thru on these boards is my own father. So please dont take any of our back and forth as unkind or malevolent criticism of you. You impress me. But that doesnt mean i see things your way here. 
But I’d like to. Which is why I’m like a pestering mosquito who just can’t leave well enough alone. Sooner or later I’m bound to get the smackdown.
Well I’m not saying anything definitive here. I’m not saying as many men love muscles like Serena’s as love breasts and butts like Serena’s. I’m just not agreeing that “most” are disgusted by the first and love the latter. I would certainly expect that more straight men like big breasts or big butts than big muscles, but not enough to say “most” for either way.
I don’t really want to get more into the raw details here because I don’t feel comfortable discussing women’s bodies in such a clinical (and possibly even objectifying) way. In a perfect society we can discuss anything in any way we want; but we live in a society that is over the top in objectifying women, and thus I don’t really want to potentially contribute to that by getting further into the details of what shapes and sizes of body parts are sexiest.
EDIT: Thanks for the kind words. I’m a fan of you as a poster as well, and I’ve learned a lot about how to see and interact with people with physical disabilities from your posts.
Well this sounds like a good note to end this little conversation on. Thanks for your thoughts.
This is getting way too syrupy for my teeth. Huey, drop another turd grenade!
No, I didn’t. The important part is the story that an avowed racist apparently was given a gun and the job of telling people what to do again.
The crazed venting of one man or troll on one thread in one message board in the section for crazed venting is not that important, compared to that. I don’t think it’s as important your thinking it’s more important than a Nazi with a gun. I don’t think it’s even as important as no-one seeming to have clicked through to the link, but I could be wrong about that.
Stop. Think. He posted that a known skinhead was hired as a police officer, and you think it is more important that he made broad generalizations about white people.
That’s not just whining, that’s pretty fucking terrible.
I didn’t mean to be rude (actually, I did, didn’t I?), but this thread in general is just … flabbergasting me. I really thought we had moved past a lot of this stuff.
I’m not up on many 20th century religions - can you direct me to any?
Neither: Pittsburgh.
Didnt nobody ask you to join the partay! But I too would enjoy Huey dropping another atomic dookie
Seroously, this messageboard is a current, dynamic and active part of our lives ATM, while reading about shocking news is a passive, non-interactive activity that for all that it does evoke, doesn’t affect anyone here directly. At least not yet. I really do not think anyone honestly believes Huey’s contrived hijinks are in any way comparable to any real world crime or injustice or anything that puts anyone’s safety or life in jeopardy. People can get a bit carried away, puffed up on sanctimony and self-righteousness, especially on a medium such as a semi-anonymous internet messageboard. But you cant really believe anyone here has a value system so dysfunctional (in their real lives) that they place the antics of an internet troll above the placement in a position of lethality and basically unchecked power of an avowed neo-nazi?
…can someone explain to me what the fuck is this thread even about any more? I just tried to catch up: and now my head really fucking hurts.
Honestly, I don’t even know and I’ve been contributing prolifically to all the noise. Its probably time I exit, stage left.
You have a good newspaper there, don’t you? The something Gazette? Post Gazette.
Thank you, I’ll look into it.
Autism, deafness, Wicca, and abuse of white people.
Why not? Go back to the thread I’ve quoted below; I don’t know how to copy with nested quotes, my apologies.
When I quoted Huey’s most recent post, BigT said I “left off the important portion …”, specifically “… white folks are bereft of cognitive empathy …”, “… White people have no empathy for anyone except for people who look like them or their friends or family. … This is typical white behavior.” That is what BigT said was important in a post about an avowed racist being hired as a police officer twice.
Why would I assume he wasn’t serious, when there are people who will give a fucking Nazi a badge and a gun?
Throughout this entire thread, Huey has been posting some pretty horrific examples of racism, and the response has been to decry Huey’s racism.
Included for the link back:
I mostly agree with you. I never meant to suggest anyone wasnt posting their opinions in all seriousness. What I meant was Huey was the dynamic, current, present factor that people were responding to so readily. It’s not anything unique to the specifics of this thread (well maybe a thread populated primarily of white people is somewhat relevant to the passivity towards the relayed words of the news article compared to the active instigation of white people by an actively engaged troll).
But the point is it’s relatively predictable that many would have a stronger immediate response to a poster (purposely) riling them up over non-existent racial aggressions vs that same instigator also expecting any semblance of similar response from then summarizing a news story that featured, you guessed it, a racist white man. He was not behaving or posting in good faith. He knew exactly what he was doing and he got exactly what he was looking for.
He concocted a contrived atmosphere in which his (mostly) white audience became angry and offended and defensive, he got the blood boiling and then dropped a legitimate story of racial unaccountability and danger. And what happened? That white audience (of course not everyone) continued to react more strongly to his antagonism than to the details of any of his cites. And why wouldn’t they? He marginalized his own message. For the sole purpose of trying to make some white people look petty and sheltered.
ETA: And this has been his schtick throughout the entire thread. I am aware that he has periodically posted legitimate stories of racism but its been part of the same strategy.
:smack: No matter how many times I point out the fallacy of relative privation, people just keep egregiously doing it, over and over. It doesn’t stick. (If you don’t agree that it should be a fallacy, maybe make an actual argument as to why all the rhetoricians and logicians are wrong?)
Dude, I did not dismiss the issues anyone (myself included) had brought up re Huey. Are you actually sayimg the content of his messageboard posts were of more potential societal harm than the hiring of a neo-nazi as a police officer? Really?! Lets not blow the significance of Huey’s racism and trollery out of proportion here. Please articulate how you see me having dismissed the issues you, me and many others have raised in this thread about Huey’s behavior?