lobstermonster, stick to flipping off little kids

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=dropzone]
However, DocCathode says he’s under a doctor’s care for it. If he’s rational enough to tell his doc AND all of us about it, he’s rational enough to say, “Gimme better meds.”
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I’m not going to wade through the entire thread(s) to find out, so I’ll just presume that he has said somewhere that he hasn’t already done so. Your post seems to imply that there will be a medication that will work to stop a specific person’s obsessive thoughts or compulsive behavior. Of course, as you should know, not everyone benefits from pharmacotherapy.

Exposure and response prevention is the best non-pharmacological therapy there is for OCD, but it’s not easy, especially if you’re just working with someone on an individual outpatient basis. Further, if you’re only seeing someone for medication prescription, you’re likely not going to be given the chance to use the intervention technique at all.

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[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
What Exit?, I’m going to choose this example among many, not because I want to pick on you, in particular, but because it’s a great example.

Almost everyone in this thread who has commented on overdiagnosing has said, “Yeah, overdiagnosing is a problem. Well, not for me, because turns out I really do have [insert problem x here]. But for everyone else, yeah, overdiagnosing is a problem.”

Now, my bet is that every single person who proclaims that massive amounts of overdiagnosing is going on knows precisely jack shit about a) the current prevalence of true cases of a given disorder and b) the current prevalence of diagnoses of a particular disorder.

I invite everyone to shut the fuck up about how prevalent diagnoses are unless they have some actual data to that effect. I hear this so often, and it’s almost always from some numbnuts who wants to dismiss the idea that mental health problems could actually be going on for someone else, or who would rather see some child get his ass beaten instead of accepting that he might have a particular problem.
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I am glad you did pick mine. It may not have been obvious, but I admitted I fucked up due to stubborn prejudice against the psych field. Thankfully, in our case, it appears to be turning out ok, but we could have screw my son up a lot worse by my pigheadedness. Thankfully my wife got more obstinate in the opposite direction and as usually was correct.

I do generally shut up about it now, while harboring my left over prejudice as I was proven completely wrong in my sons case. That was the intent of the thing I said about it: "it does no good on an individual basis to make a judgment call. "

Funny you should mention that ass beating, that was my older brother’s advice for dealing with my son. He felt my wife was coddling him too much.

Jim

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To Rubystreak, ElanorRigby, Guinastasia I appreciate that you’re trying to help. My meds for OCD actually work pretty well (they also keep my social anxiety disorder and panic attacks away). It’s a med for fighting depression that I haven’t found yet. The current ones work pretty well, but I need better. My psychiatrist is working on it. I do realize my standards of cleanliness are not rational. Knowing that doesn’t help. A ten year old knows Freddy Krueger is not really under the bed. They still can’t sleep.
Re Paper Plates

For the third time, I have switched to paper plates and plastic utensils. I made the move years ago. But, sometimes I run out and have to use ceramic.

Re Throwing the plates away

I like these plates. They’re blue willow. Besides, throwing them out would be giving up.

Shoshana
Thank you. Please note, everybody, that Shoshana is a shrink (I forget if she is a psychologist or psychiatrist. I think the latter).

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Perhaps not, CarnalK, but we sometimes have to take someone at his word. DocCathode has had a good-enough rep here for long enough that, if he wants to say how fucked up he is, I’ll accept it as the truth.

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we’re all fucking nuts! grouppppp hug

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[QUOTE=CarnalK]
You’ve seen him wash dishes? Or see him not wash dishes? Seen his prescription bottle?
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Well, he does seem to be a very trusted and esteemed Doper. Unlike some others I could name.

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[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
What Exit?, I’m going to choose this example among many, not because I want to pick on you, in particular, but because it’s a great example.

Almost everyone in this thread who has commented on overdiagnosing has said, “Yeah, overdiagnosing is a problem. Well, not for me, because turns out I really do have [insert problem x here]. But for everyone else, yeah, overdiagnosing is a problem.”

Now, my bet is that every single person who proclaims that massive amounts of overdiagnosing is going on knows precisely jack shit about a) the current prevalence of true cases of a given disorder and b) the current prevalence of diagnoses of a particular disorder.

I invite everyone to shut the fuck up about how prevalent diagnoses are unless they have some actual data to that effect. I hear this so often, and it’s almost always from some numbnuts who wants to dismiss the idea that mental health problems could actually be going on for someone else, or who would rather see some child get his ass beaten instead of accepting that he might have a particular problem.
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How about all the bullshit SELF-diagnosis I hear all the time. Everybody’s got some kind of “disorder” these days. How come people didn’t have personality disorders 100 years ago? I’ve never heard of any ancient Greeks with anxiety disorder or ADD. OCD is real but a lot of the other stuff often sounds like pseudo-clinical excuses for defective personalities, dull intellects, drama queenery or yes, laziness. I don’t know how many people I’ve heard call themselves “depressed” or “ADD” or “dyslexic” or otherwise disordered who have never been diagnosed with anything but who are looking to explain every minor quirk or mood or aversion as having a chemical basis which they are therefore excused from ever trying to change.

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[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
How about all the bullshit SELF-diagnosis I hear all the time. Everybody’s got some kind of “disorder” these days. How come people didn’t have personality disorders 100 years ago? I’ve never heard of any ancient Greeks with anxiety disorder or ADD. OCD is real but a lot of the other stuff often sounds like pseudo-clinical excuses for defective personalities, dull intellects, drama queenery or yes, laziness. I don’t know how many people I’ve heard call themselves “depressed” or “ADD” or “dyslexic” or otherwise disordered who have never been diagnosed with anything but who are looking to explain every minor quirk or mood or aversion as having a chemical basis which they are therefore excused from ever trying to change.
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haha this is exactly what I wanted to say except I get pitted. I have a friend that rambles on about thinking she has Adult ADD. I just tell her to quit being such a fidgety bitch

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[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
How about all the bullshit SELF-diagnosis I hear all the time. Everybody’s got some kind of “disorder” these days. How come people didn’t have personality disorders 100 years ago?
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Uh, because 100 years ago, we didn’t recognize these things.

:dubious:

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[QUOTE=lobstermobster]
we’re all fucking nuts! grouppppp hug
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Sorry, I’m allergic to shelfish.

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[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
How about all the bullshit SELF-diagnosis I hear all the time. Everybody’s got some kind of “disorder” these days. How come people didn’t have personality disorders 100 years ago? I’ve never heard of any ancient Greeks with anxiety disorder or ADD. OCD is real but a lot of the other stuff often sounds like pseudo-clinical excuses for defective personalities, dull intellects, drama queenery or yes, laziness. I don’t know how many people I’ve heard call themselves “depressed” or “ADD” or “dyslexic” or otherwise disordered who have never been diagnosed with anything but who are looking to explain every minor quirk or mood or aversion as having a chemical basis which they are therefore excused from ever trying to change.
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Me too. I hate it when people talk about having “diseases” that were unheard-of in Ancient Greece. “Oh look at me, I’ve got MRSA!”

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[QUOTE=dropzone]
Perhaps not, CarnalK, but we sometimes have to take someone at his word. DocCathode has had a good-enough rep here for long enough that, if he wants to say how fucked up he is, I’ll accept it as the truth.
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Sure but I just wanted to re-point out that is indeed all that most of us have to go on. Guin seemed to be casually equating that to really knowing/seeing a person. While lobstermobster may have been a bit hasty, she is new and doesn’t know his “rep” so much.

Which brings me to SkipMagic’s lame warning to her in the MPSIMS thread. I don’t think it was “jerkish” to say “That sounds more like a quirk, people are always self diagnosing”. That may be a little impolite but it sure as shit shouldn’t be warning material. DocCathode came back to say “Nope, diagnosed”, others say “Actually that ‘quirk’ is pretty typical of OCD” and everyone could have gone on their way. But Skip has to charge in and defend the poor people from any expression of skepticism.

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[QUOTE=eleanorigby]
Clarity, please.
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I just link to 'em, I don’t make 'em up or explain 'em. Ask Dex, he’s the one who posted the rules. I take it to mean the rules for ignore lists apply to buddy lists, although a little more leeway is allowed. However, I don’t think explicitly naming posters on your buddy list qualifies as “discreet.”

Autolycus, go fuck yourself with a ladle.

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[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
How about all the bullshit SELF-diagnosis I hear all the time. Everybody’s got some kind of “disorder” these days. How come people didn’t have personality disorders 100 years ago? I’ve never heard of any ancient Greeks with anxiety disorder or ADD. OCD is real but a lot of the other stuff often sounds like pseudo-clinical excuses for defective personalities, dull intellects, drama queenery or yes, laziness. I don’t know how many people I’ve heard call themselves “depressed” or “ADD” or “dyslexic” or otherwise disordered who have never been diagnosed with anything but who are looking to explain every minor quirk or mood or aversion as having a chemical basis which they are therefore excused from ever trying to change.
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Don’t forget that half the geeks think they might have Asperger’s syndrome. :wink:

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[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian]
Your post seems to imply that there will be a medication that will work to stop a specific person’s obsessive thoughts or compulsive behavior. Of course, as you should know, not everyone benefits from pharmacotherapy.
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My intent was to say that finding the correct med, out of the many available, and the correct dosage, out of the many possible, can take many tries. And I would not say his problem was entirely treatable with drugs, just as you wouldn’t say that it was only treatable behaviorally. They are both usually indicated. As he has said the drugs help some. The doses for OCD can be several times as high as for “simple” depression, thus, the suggestion he get his dose upped. And [del]abuse[/del] peer pressure, whether being called crazy or told to “man up,” can help nudge a person to take the next step in his treatment.

And you wonder why I love you so.

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[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Uh, because 100 years ago, we didn’t recognize these things.

:dubious:
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Duh, but why don’t you even see the symptoms described in any literature of the time? I’m not talking about obssessive disorders (which you can find descriptions of, even if people thought it was demonic possession), but stuff like “social anxiety” and the like. Once upon a time, people just sucked it up and went to work in the fields or the factories because they would die if they didn’t and nobody cared about their “anxiety.”

My larger point was about SELF-diagnosis anyway.

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[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Funny you should mention that ass beating, that was my older brother’s advice for dealing with my son. He felt my wife was coddling him too much.
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I’m not Carnak or anything. I run into these kind of people all the time. My favorites are the dads who come into my office telling me that they got an ass-beating all the time when they were a kid, and look at them now.

I usually think, but don’t say, “Yeah, look at you now. You’re sitting in my office with a kid with some kind of emotional or behavioral problem that you haven’t been able to resolve yet. Color me fucking shocked.”

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[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Once upon a time, people just sucked it up and went to work in the fields or the factories because they would die if they didn’t and nobody cared about their “anxiety.”.
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I like you Diogenes. Please tell me I’m reading this wrong and that you are not suggesting that people with OCD etc should or could ‘just suck it up’.

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how many official warnings do I get? I think I may have gotten one for calling VCO3 a racist

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I sense that that is a “zinger” but don’t quite get it. Are you making fun of the fact that I said Guin hadn’t met DocCathode? That would be odd.