londoners.. what's up with the millenium dome?

I vaguely remember hearing about this a year ago…
anyway, this story appeared on cnn’s website today:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/TRAVEL/NEWS/12/29/britain.dome.reut/index.html

December 29, 2000
Web posted at: 1:10 PM EST (1810 GMT)
LONDON (Reuters) – This time last year, Britain was shown its monument to a “new dawn,” supposedly a symbol the country was ready to face the Millennium with optimism and confidence.

Instead, it got a year-long hangover that will only end when the ill-fated Millennium Dome closes Sunday.


anyway, the pic included just looks like the astrodome, from my yank perspective, but at a cost of over 1 billion dollars, it must be much bigger than that, no?

How big is this thing?
what is inside it? shops? museums? what?

it strikes me as rather ugly, whatever it is, and whatever might possibly be inside it couldn’t justify spending over 1 billion dollars, i’d think.

anyway, i’m clueless. clueless but curious as to what in the world the millenium dome actually is.
[note: article redacted for copyright purposes. -manhattan]

[Edited by manhattan on 12-30-2000 at 08:00 PM]

It’s much like an old Expo, really - the Dome is divided up into themed zones like the Money Zone or the Body Zone, which has visitors wandering through an enormous reclining figure. Some friends of mine who went a couple of weeks ago said it was quite good, but not enough to justify a £25 entry fee each.

It was a vanity project by the government, basically - I think the last Conservative Government started it and Labour carried on. Nobody had any better ideas for millennium celebrations, so it became the default money pit despite the press and public not being too enthusiastic. The predicted visitor levels were wildly inaccurate, given the general level of apathy towards it from day one.

I doubt it Recherche. It closes tomorrow, permanently.

One reason that the Dome failed is that they tried to be too worthy with it and give it some ‘meaning’.

It was like the organisers had put things in there that they knew were good for us instead of what we wanted ie FUN.

The other reason was location which is closely related to cost.£70 for a family of four entry fee is way too much.

It was put on its location because Greenwich is the first place in the world that the new millennium started(not actually true but that was the reasoning).

The problem was that the entry fee was so high, plus the cost of food and drink in exhibitions is always stratospheric.

For folk travelling down from anywhere north of Nottingaham we are talking about a long drive there, a long time to get round because of the huge queues on most displays and a long drive back.Not very much fun in a car packed with children.This made the trip for just a day out impractical.

From where I live which is around 220 miles away it’s a four hour drive there and the same back so the only way to really see it is to spend a weekend in London. Taking into account our high fuel prices and the high cost of staying in London it would have cost anything over £200 just to see it, that is like a whole months worth of entertainment cash maybe more for many in the UK.
This ruled out the attendance of a large number of folk.

First thing they should have done was to put it up in a place more central and with good transport links.Birmingham would have been a far better choice.(maybe even Birmingham,Alabama)

My boss told me about what happened when he tried to go. I don’t know how many people were in his group, but when they got to the dome there was no place to buy tickets. He said you could only get tickets at small shops all around London (maybe even all around England), apparently to encourage people to go to the shops. But there was no place near the dome and he had no way of knowing about it in advance. And my boss was born in England, has lots of family and friends there and goes a few times every year, so it wasn’t a clueless tourist thing.

You can buy tickets there. When I was at Waterloo Station on Christmas Eve the London Underground PA announcer told all visitors without tickets not to travel to the Dome as they’d sold out.

They must have added that, mattk. My boss was in England last New Year’s, and once or twice in the spring. They probably added a ticket booth after enough people had the same experience he did. He told me about it as an example of what a total fiasco the whole thing was.

I can answer some of the questions in the OP.

These statistics don’t make much sense unless you have a rough idea what the Dome looks like, but there are images aplenty all over the web.

The Great Dropped Wok of Olde London town (aka Millenium Dome) has an overall diameter of 365 metres (400 yards), an internal diamter of 320m (350 yds) and is 50m (55yds) high at its central point (as high as the Statue of Liberty without the base). It encloses a ground floor area of over 80,000 square metres (87,500 square yards). Its floor area could accommodate about 1,100 Olympic swimming pools, and the Eiffel Tower put on its side would fit inside the Dome with room to spare. Each one of the 12 yellow pylons holding it up is 100m (110 yds) long and weighs 95 metric tonnes (93.5 tons). The Dome’s canopy is roughly 100,000 square metres (109,300 sq yards) in area.

It’s a beautiful, thrilling and awe-inspiring piece of design, engineering and architecture. That’s all that’s good about it.

What’s not good? Well, as others have noted, it is in a stupid location for something deemed a ‘national’ attraction. I live in London and even I found it a pain to get to. For one thing, you cannot get to the Dome by car. By which, I mean (a) there are no roads to it that the public are allowed to use and (b) no car park anyway. Isn’t that just unbelievable?

There was only one other shortlisted location, near Birmingham, which would have made more sense in every way. However, cretinous politicians - probably as corrupt as the day is long - did the choosing… so you can’t expect sense.

The lousy content. The Dome is divided into 14 zones, each with its own theme - ‘education and learning’, ‘play’, ‘communication’, ‘heritage’, ‘faith’ and so on. There was no overall creative or design vision as to the Dome’s purpose, function or style. So various committees of fat lazy-arsed politicians, leeching off the public purse, and none of whom have ever designed or created a damn thing in their entire lives, took it upon themselves to ‘manage’ the content. They selected numerous different design and creative entertainment companies to provide the content for each zone. Of course they made a pig’s ear of every stage of this process: inviting to tender, shortlisting, choosing, managing, co-ordinating and funding. The first government-appointed design consultant, Stephen Byers, jumped ship after less than 12 months on the project, having given up hope of ever getting the political idiots to make a single intelligent comment.

This is a shame. Whatever else may be said about the UK, we actually do have a lot of expertise and very skilled world-class people in the areas of creative design, theme park attractions, public arts and entertainments etc. However, the politicians kept shoving their noses in…

What we ended up with was a truly dire confusion of incoherent themes and areas, compromise, fudge and plain old crap. Some zones try to be ‘fun & entertainment’ areas. They don’t work. Others try to be ‘educational & informative’. They don’t work either. Some zones… well, you just don’t have a clue what they’re trying to do, to be honest. Every design team that worked on one or more zones has publicly described the experience of being used and abused by the political shits as the worst, and least competent, of their entire professional lives. And most are still owed money.

Next problem: the people supposedly ‘running’ the Dome - more politicians and assorted bureaucratic arsewipes - couldn’t organise three ducks in a row.

For the ‘grand opening’ on NY Eve last year, they had the spiffing idea of inviting loads of celebs, media people and senior figures such as PM Tony Bliar (spelling intentional) and Brenda (Brit term for HM the Queen) (don’t ask). Unfortunately, they forgot] to send out the invitations and tickets. I am not making this up. So all these ‘great and good’ had to wait in line on a freezing cold New Year’s Eve to collect their tickets from Stratford station.

Wait, it gets better… this NY Eve launch was a big security operation, what with so many supposedly important people attending. So everyone had to be subjected to ‘airport’ style metal sweeps and security checks. And they provided just ONE checkpoint. Again, I am not making this up. All the guests, all 10,000 of them, had to pass through this one checkpoint gate.

Anyway, many were kept waiting for hours and hours before they got to the damn thing. Some nearly missed midnight, and some just gave up on the waiting and went home in disgust. Many of these people were writers, reporters, journalists, editors and broadcasters. Most of them got their ‘revenge’ by splashing ‘what a load of crap’ stories all over the media during early January. This didn’t do much to foster public desire to traipse down to Greenwich and shell out a lot of money for the poor content on offer within.

The people who did bother to go were, on the whole, under-whelmed. There were massive queues (lines) for all the main zones (up to two hours of waiting) and people were not, in general, impressed with what they saw when they got in.

So the Dome suffered a deluge of bad PR which it richly deserved, and the public in general just decided it was a waste of space, which it is, and stayed away. This meant revenue was way down on target, so it ran out of money, so the arsewipes kept going back to the government for more public money to keep it going. Each time, they said ‘this is the last money we’ll need’, and each time they ended up breaking their word and going back for more.

The government, meanwhile, kept telling us it’s not really coming out of public money - most of the funding came from the National Lottery, some of the money will be reclaimed when the site is sold after 2000, blah blah blah. This is all typical politico smoke and mirrors. The British public have given well over £750 million pounds of their money without being asked to something most feel is just a monumentally stupid waste of space.

It’s also rather sickening the way the arsewipes keep fudging the facts. They initially decided they could get 12 million visitors in 12 months (even though all the experts told them the max realistic figure was closer to 6-8). They revised this down to 6.5 . Then down to about 5. They now claim ‘we hit the attendance target’ of about 5 million. Yeah, but 1 million of these were school kids given free tickets. And besides, no-one has verified the figures, so they could be a load of bunny raisins for all we know.

At the risk of over-simplification, and without undue bitterness, most of modern life in England is like this.

You’re probably right - I haven’t actually felt the urge to try it myself!

To give folk an idea of just how expensive visiting the Dome is, here are some living costs in the UK.

Any household collectively taking home £2000 per month north of Watford is doing very well.South of Watford the income might be higher but the mortagage is going to be much higher still due to the high value of houses.

Mortage and endowment around £350 per month
Car repayments…around £120 per month(for traded in car)
Gas+electric…around £60 per month
Phone inc mobiles…around £25 per month
Local district tax…around £55 per month(I’m being generous here)
Cost of running car…around £130 per month(not including devaluation)
Holiday saving etc…around £110 per month
Food family of 4…around £300 per month(includes stuff bought out like burgers etc)

Leaving that family with £850 per month and out of that will come things like clothes, tv licence, childrens pocket money, household maintenance, and various odd and sods etc so you could easily deduct another £150.

So now we have, as a family, something in the region of £700 per month to spend.

A day visit entry to the dome is going to cost £60-70 but add to that the cost of souvenirs, food, fuel to travel and that will soon run to £120.(again, I am underestimating this)

Note that although some of those numbers are going to be differant for individual families I have been pretty generous with the income.
I have not included things like loans and credit cards which just about everyone has.

If you lived where I do then the only real way to see the Dome is on an overnight stay, which would up the total to over £200.

That is quite a chunk of that £700 disposable income, for what is just one day at the Dome.

Most folk around here are not as well paid as I am, nobody I know went there and Leeds is hardly a small hamlet.Rinse and repeat for most of the country.

Note to zuma: You’re going to get into trouble with the moderators for posting that article in its entirety on this board. Notice at the end of the article it says:

Please check out the board announcements on some posting guidelines regarding copyrighted material. Oh, I think the dome is ugly too. I wonder what those silly Englishmen were thinking when they built that thing :stuck_out_tongue: That’s all!

And no one’s even mentioned the Millenium Bridge yet. Apparently there’s a curse on anything with “Millenium” in the name.

http://www.arup.com/MillenniumBridge/solutionstatement1.htm

You can add to that most of the large projects funded by lottery money.

The Earth Centre near Rotherham
The Exhibition for popular music in Sheffield
They have not even agreed a desigh for the much vaunted National Stadium to replace Wembley
The National Armouries Museum in Leeds.

They all have one thing in common, a desire by our ‘betters’ to leave their mark, such arrogance!.

I got back from London about a month ago and I only saw the Millenium Dome from a distance. It looked impressive, but after hearing what was there and the cost all I could think of was ‘Epcot Center’. Not worth the trouble, especially since there are many worthwhile things to do in London. I walked by the Millenium Bridge, of course not on it, since it is closed due to it’s wobbliness. The other big thing they did for the Millenium was the London Eye which is a Big Ferris Wheel looking thing that allows you to look over all of London. It takes about two hours. It is actually quite popular but I didn’t go on it, opting for a boat ride on the Thames which I am convinced was a lot better.

And the other controversey going on while I was there was having to do with the British Museum. When I was there they were working on some impressive new area of the museum, which had not been completed on time and was apparently being made with the wrong stone. Whatever. I got the ditinct impression that in London they like grand ideas, but don’t want to be bothered with the details.

I’d agree with you, Tretiak, except for one slight detail: it’s not Londoners or Britons in general who love grand ideas, it’s our beloved politicians and their little Ozymandias complexes.

My apologies… I’ll be more careful in the future.

Anyway, thanks for the replies. Say what you wish about politics here in the states, but at least something such as this would have been bogged down with pork-belly politics, committee hearings, protests, crooked politicians, crooked unions, etc to drag out for years beyond the millenium.

Then of course environmentalists and lawyers would have jumped into the fray, investigations launched of all concerned, and the entire thing would have died about 10 years past the millenium.

Well, either that or eventually open in 2010 at 5x the original cost.

Great post, ianzin. I had no idea they could screw things up so badly! Wow.