Black Knight: I’ll do you for that!
Arthur: You’ll what?
Black Knight: Come here!
Arthur: What are you gonna do, bleed on me?
Black Knight: I’m invincible!
Arthur: You’re a loony.
Black Knight: The Black Knight always triumphs!
Being sporting doesn’t really enter into the picture during war. Whenever possible you kill the enemy while putting yourself in as little risk as possible.
No more so then a sniper, an infantry man shooting the enemy in the back, or the artillery man shooting someone from 6 miles away.
Marc
Any other videos available in the internet of “military” actions ?
In this context, that´s not funny at all. :mad:
I’ve read through this thread and have come to the conclusion that most of you have never been in a combat situation. I have been shot at and missed, and shot at and hit, and far and away I prefer being missed. IIRC, MGibson is a police officer who puts his life on the line everyday when he goes to work. I’m sorry if I have him confused with another poster but, nontheless, his statement about risk is absolutely correct. In a combat situation, every unknown is the enemy and a combatant.
I worked on the Apache program when it was being fielded and witnessed the 30MM gun being tested. If a person is wounded by the 30MM gun their chances of survival are very slim, but as Miller stated, they may still find a way to harm or kill you before they die.
It’s TADS/PNVS = Target Aquisition Designation System/Pilots Night Vision System
So, back to the shooting and killing. I think we all agree (right or wrong) that Iraq is, for all intents and purpose, a war zone, so from my own perspective, it’s kill or be killed. Until you have been in this kind of situation and face to face with death, you cannot understand what these soldiers confront on a daily basis.
On the contrary, thanks to this context, that’s the first time that’s been funny in twenty-five years.
Oh, come on man, That’s always been funny. Don’t make me fish-slap you.
-When I first saw the “short” clip, I didn’t quite believe it was from a chopper. It’s too steady, the aircraft it just hovering there. Yes, I know choppers can hover, it just struck me as odd since several of our helicopters over there have been downed by such relatively simple weapons as RPGs (which are a totally unguided rocket and extremely difficult to use against fast-moving aircraft.)
I thought it was gun-camera footage from a Bradley, since I’d have expected the view to change as the aircraft “orbited” to keep from sitting still too long. But the ABC news article says it’s an Apache clip, so I’ll assume it’s right.
As for the first shots fired, in the longer clip I mentioned (sorry, I can’t link to it, I had it E-mailed to me) you can hear the first burst of fire, the gunner says something that sounds a lot like “Fuck!” and another person (the pilot?) saying something like “switch to autorange”.
A notation on range does indeed change on the screen, and the next burst is centered with the targetting pipper. Whether they first fired way over or way under is unclear.
Miller, would you help me to see your statement as anything different than you being a jerk?
Okay, okay, I’m sorry I said Monty Python wasn’t funny. I realize you’re a fan, but you shouldn’t take this sort of thing so personally. It’s just a TV show.
I’ve done a more then a few things in my short little life but I’ve never been a police officer.
Marc
This is just ridiculous. Are the millions of combatant casualties in WW2 due to indirect fire a war crime because they weren’t able to shoot back? “Even war criminals get trials” - should we give every enemy combatant, on a battlefield, handling weapons - assuming that’s what happened - a trial?
Your view of this is absurd. It may have been excessive, or not, I dunno the context, but the idea that someone is an executioner in a warzone because they fired on enemy combatants without exposing themselves is silly.
Man, that gun tore them up, ouch!
So those Iraqis didn’t even hear the burst that missed ? This is very wierd… or they are so used to hearing guns at a distance they didn’t mind it at all ?
I agree with you that the chopper just hovering calmly there is wierd… they would be sitting ducks for ground fire and RPGs. So one must imagine they are well located or protected maybe by a second chopper ?
As for being wounded by a 30mm… they might have been hit by truck or shell shrapnel… the way he was shot through the truck.
My Hi-8 video camera, purchased five or so years ago, has very good image stabilization technology.
I could be shaking like a leaf while holding the camera, and the video images I’d get would still be very steady.
I imagine the U.S. Army has video image stabilization technology that is far superior to that available in my off-the-shelf, mid-range, five-year-old video camera.
Some of you are real assholes.
The following is from a friend who is over there right now
NEWS STORY ABOUT THE INCIDENT:
Iraq: U.S. Helicopter Kills Seven Iraqi Fighters
Tikrit, 14 November 2003 (RFE/RL) – The U.S. military today said a U.S. Apache helicopter killed seven Iraqis who were about to launch a rocket attack on a U.S. base.
A U.S. military spokeswoman, Josslyn Aberle, said the helicopter spotted the Iraqis late yesterday about 30 kilometers north of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
The spokeswoman said the seven were believed to be Hussein loyalists. One other Iraqi was wounded in the attack and captured while another Iraqi escaped.
U.S. soldiers later went to the area and discovered more than 600 missiles and rockets in two bunkers and on a flatbed truck.
In southern Baghdad, a roadside bomb exploded early today and injured two U.S. soldiers
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A MESSAGE FROM A FRIEND POSTING ABOUT IT ON ANOTHER SITE:
Speechless…
On Sept. 11, I was speechless. Actually, no I wasnt’… I remember my first words while watching live…
“Oh my god, my country just went to war”.
This video IS that war. No, I’m not trying to make connections with Iraq and 9/11. But these are terrorists… this is the battlefield… and this is the war. Plain and simple. Nobody likes to see people die… But you have to remember that we are the country that shows all the mercy.
Mercy…
When Iraqi citizens are killed in car bombings from these people… we show mercy and compassion. We pay the expenses and go through the actions of caring for all of these people. Even when Iraqi citizens (not terrorists) were injured from our war efforts… we showed mercy and compassion.
When Iraqi troops put their guns down and their hands up… we showed mercy and compassion. As they were walking down the road, did we unload those Apache’s on them?? No… we let them walk.
When Saddam came out of a ‘spider hole’. All it would have taken was a gentle squeeze of a trigger and he wouldn’t have been much of a problem any more. But he came out in peace… and we showed mercy.
When these guys are preparing to fire on our troops… clearly have weapons meant for engaging us in combat, should we show mercy. Nope… it’s time for them to die. I think that is what many of the comments of amazement in here are about. About the accuracy and capability that our military has worked to acheive in eliminating elements like this and still allow peace and calm on the ordinary streets. These were the only people that died in this incident.
No mercy…
Flying a plane into two occupied buildings on a Tuesday morning!! That’s killing thousands of people who were not engaging in combat. They were engaging in life.
Killing thousands of Kerds <sp> to the north with gas and killing thousands of people in the south, torture thousands more in jails, etc, etc… That’s no mercy. And this man and his sons enjoyed that thoroughly.
I don’t think anyone here actually wants good willing people to die. You didn’t hear those pilots laughing or cackling at their ‘kills’. They did their job and went home.
With all of this being said on my soapbox, I’m going to step down by saying thank you to those men in the Apache for taking out 7 more people who would NOT SHOW MERCY on us, or the people mentioned above.
Good day everyone.
I’m not sure people upset with the gunner are thinking this one through all the way.
Assuming that they’re sure person #3 is wounded to the point of incapacitation…then what?
Send an ambulance out there?
Were they to start doing that, I’d bet there would be a shortage of doctors and medics in Iraq. And no, I don’t mean in a “they’re just too busy” way, I mean in a “rolled the guy over and a grenade went off” way.
-Joe, maybe you’d like it to be your friend rolling him over?
Those of you pondering if they were possibly innocent farmers, watch the second guy killed. He’s scrambling to unwrap something fairly large. Not the usual actions of an innocent fearing for their lives. Normal reaction for someone armed with something currently wrapped up.
I think he did hear the first burst, but it was far away and out of range, so he calmly walks over once he realizes that those bullets weren’t meant for him (at least he thought that). You even hear the helicopter pilots discussing range after the first shots miss.
Blown & Injected, if you can show any reason, any possible rationale for why we are busy killing guerillas in Iraq while we are simultaneously failing to hunt down and kill the international terrorists who were not welcome in that country prior to our invasion of it I’d take the above statement as one which warrants a hat over the heart.
But it does not. And people are dying as a result. You and I are not more safe than we were, and our focus is transferred away from those who caused us harm and toward those who could have been brought to hand by any one of a myriad of other options… none of which we have now.
I, too, want to kill them all, whoever “they” are. But unfortunately, we’ve chosen to kill all of them, for reasons which we cannot now justify beyond the fact that we’re there now.
See Lyndon Johnson, you stupid fuck. Our battle-flags will become more resplendent with honors as our soldiers die, but for what are they fighting and dying? The world learned how to beat us once before. I see no reason to see why they will not take the similar option and continue to fight our troops so long as they can be killed there. Is this the brilliant plan which is to lead us to peace and prosperity?
I don’t think it is.
Sofa King:
I am sorry that the USA is not perfect. We have taken the fight to what seems to have been the next best place for the terrorists to train and get funding for attacks on us and our allies.
Looks like Libya has taken note and is trying to come clean. It is a start.