Looking at Sexy People, and Being Looked At

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Today I’d like to talk about visual aspects of sexuality. One person sees another and that person’s appearance is sexually stimulating to the observer. A person spends a fair amount of time thinking about their own appearance and whether or not they are sexually desirable on the basis of their looks. A person who wants a sexual partner goes to a singles environment and looks around first and foremost for someone whose appearance appeals to them as sexy and enticing.

The visual aspect of sexuality is gendered. I don’t know for sure whether the experience of seeing a visually appealing representative of the sex to which one is attracted is a different experience for male folks than for female folks, but there’s not much question that it is widely believed that it’s different. The belief is that men are much more visually responsive, that women’s visual appearance (for heterosexual guys) or, for that matter, the visual appearance of other men (for gay guys) motivates male people much more emphatically than female people are sexually motivated by the looks of male people’s bodies (for straight women) or the bodies of other women (for lesbians).

If it isn’t actually true, it certainly wouldn’t be the first “difference between the sexes” that turns out to be a myth. Some feminists who have believed it to be just that have said “Hey, this patriarchal society has not been particularly interested in what women want. Until recently, the female orgasm didn’t get much press, so it should not come as a surprise that most ideas about what looks sexy are actually ideas about what men find to be sexy-looking”. And, yes, there has been more recognition in the modern era of the female erotic gaze: this Optimum Online ad that’s running currently and, for that matter, this Diet Coke ad from a couple decades ago. So it’s out there and it’s not exactly brand new.

But there’s still the persistent notion that male sexuality is far more visually oriented, even if we now recognize that women like to look too. When we discuss women as sex objects, what we most often mean is women as visually consumable sex objects. It is women who mostly have to confront the insistence on the importance of their looks; it is women for whom having a potentially sexually appetizing appearance is most totally rendered into social currency, for whom it plays such a prominent role in some people’s evaluation of their worth and value, and it contributes to the sense that the trajectory of an individual woman’s social power seems to peak so much earlier than that of individual men.

Well, today I’d like us to consider how much this visual thing has to do with another popular notion about the differences between the sexes, the notion that men are more sexually aggressive than women.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that it really is true that men are more visual, sexually. A man sees a woman across the room, a complete stranger, and, attracted to her, he acts on those sexual feelings. From her perspective, a complete stranger with whom she has no connection is suddenly coming on to her.

She, with her clitoris less wired to her eyeballs, would have been far less likely to do the same if she’d seen him first.

If we remove the visual from the situation, and look at the rest of sexual interaction and the formation of sexual interest, we’re mostly looking at people who come on to other people as an outgrowth of interacting with them. Eyesight, specifically, has that peculiar quality of creating a reaction towards another person with whom there hasn’t been any personal interaction.

I’ve long thought that a good research project on gender could be done by interviewing blind men and observing blind individual in social settings, to see what happens with male sexual behavior in the absence of reactions to visual stimuli. I haven’t had a chance to pursue it, though.

Meanwhile, I am curious about your experiences with the visual aspects of sexuality, and your own thoughts on the matter:

• if you are male, does it seem to you that your own sexuality is more driven by other people’s visual appearance than the sexuality of women seems to be? if you are female, do you have the sense that male people are more sexually driven by how people look?

• assuming you do perceive such a difference, how do you feel about it? or, if you do not see that kind of pattern in real life, do you have any feelings about the widespread belief that such a difference does exist?

• think about a person who sees someone they don’t already know from across the room or on the subway platform or standing on the sidewalk or something, and that they experience that person as sexy, sexually appetizing, because of how they look. if I ask you to imagine what kind of feelings and thoughts are likely to be going through the sexually interested observer’s head, can you describe that for me?

• do you, or have you in the past, often experienced yourself as the object of other people’s sexually interested gaze? how does or did that make you feel, both “at the moment” and overall as a feature of your life?

• is there any part of the entire phenomenon about visual aspects of sexuality that makes you angry and resentful? for that matter, do you ever feel like other people have resentments pertaining to visual sexuality in such a way that their resentments affect you?
I myself identify as genderqueer, meaning (in my case) that I think of myself as “one of the girls” rather than “one of the guys”. And yet this is definitely one area of gender and sex where my own experience matches up with the expected male pattern: yes, a big component of my sexuality and sexual feelings is tied up with my reactions to women’s appearance. I see women’s shapes and contours and I have strong sexual feelings.

It has long seemed to me that many people equate being sexually visually attracted like that with being a sexual aggressor: you know, you see someone who looks sexy to you, so that inspires you to go try to make things happen. Except that isn’t how it is for me. I’m nearly always ambivalent and uncertain about what I want in the “here and now” specific sense of this or that sexy-looking woman. The sexual feelings I experience make me feel vulnerable and shy. Here is this person who may be a total stranger who is having this sexual affect on me just because of how she looks.

Recently, I wrote this:

So, I’d also like to pose this question, or set of questions, to other male people specifically: to what extent is it like that for you, too? Does the social expectation that, as males, we’re always ready to jump on the opportunity, that for us to be visually attracted always means we are happily ready to have sex… does that expectation annoy you, anger you, do you resent it? Do you feel ignored or silenced by the lack of general acknowledgment that our sexuality is fraught with ambivalences and vulnerabilities too, or do you not feel that that is true for you?

I’m unabashedly a hetero male. No ambiguity with respect to my own sexual identity. Also, nothing wrong with my ability to recognize and admire attractive women. I take care of myself from the standpoint of physical appearance, i.e. I’m in good physical shape and take pride in how I dress and conduct myself in public. I’ve never had much trouble with respect to my interactions with the opposite sex. If I found myself single again, I’d do just fine, thankyouverymuch.

BUT, I’m married and off the market. I have no desire to play sexual flirting games with women who are not my wife. Sometimes I see a woman who is very attractive. I acknowledge it and I let the thought go. Sometimes I notice a woman noticing me. I’m flattered but I just let that go too. The reason is that I prize trust and fidelity in a committed relationship more than the fleeting moments of attraction. I get what I need from my spouse with respect to validation, thus I don’t feel the need to seek further gratification outside my marriage out of some sense of insecurity. I certainly don’t subscribe to the idea that men simply can’t help their sexual instincts and thus are slaves to their needs for sexual conquest or predation.

Back when you were single, did those attitudes annoy you then? Presumably you would have been seeking sex/relationships as a single person at least some of the time —how did it feel to be doing that against the backdrop of that kind of idea? Was it no big deal, or something you found frustratting at the time?

When I was single and available, I’d go out on dates or follow through on social opportunities if they were mutual. Sometimes that lead to sex, sometimes the initial attraction was spoiled by other intervening factors (personality, etc.). I never felt annoyed by my natural attraction to women. My sexual attraction to women never felt like I was a kid in a candy store, a slave to the variety of options. So I would characterize it as “no big deal”, rather than a “frustration”. That’s not to suggest that I got to have sex when or with whomever I wanted so I could afford to be picky. It simply wasn’t an overwhelming imperative for me to behave in that way. Still isn’t.

I am male, and it doesn’t seem like it to me. Most guys that have women hanging around them at clubs and such that I’ve seen are young, musclely, good looking guys.

Because people don’t want others to think they are shallow and care about looks. So they lie about it.

That’s easy, I do it every day on the metro - “That chick is pretty hot. Probably be nice to have sex with her”

I haven’t really experienced that, no. But it would be pretty cool to me.

I’m angry at myself that I don’t care enough about it to get in good shape.

I don’t get this part. Sex feels good. Why wouldn’t everybody be happily ready to have it?

I’m a woman.

• If you are female, do you have the sense that male people are more sexually driven by how people look? Yes.

• assuming you do perceive such a difference, how do you feel about it? **I sort of feel like it makes life easier for me, because improving your physical appearance is easier than improving your personality. I also think with men there’s more pressure to be wealthy as opposed to good-looking, and I think it’s less stressful to work on being good-looking than to accumulate wealth. **

• think about a person who sees someone they don’t already know from across the room or on the subway platform or standing on the sidewalk or something, and that they experience that person as sexy, sexually appetizing, because of how they look. if I ask you to imagine what kind of feelings and thoughts are likely to be going through the sexually interested observer’s head, can you describe that for me? This question is confusing to me. After talking about gender differences, you’re now (seemingly deliberately) removing the gender from this hypothetical. Not sure where you’re going with this. To follow manson’s lead and just say what I personally think,
really, I just admire the physical attractiveness. I don’t imagine having sex with them, undressing them, any of that stuff.

• do you, or have you in the past, often experienced yourself as the object of other people’s sexually interested gaze? how does or did that make you feel, both “at the moment” and overall as a feature of your life? Yes. I feel flattered. I like it.

• is there any part of the entire phenomenon about visual aspects of sexuality that makes you angry and resentful? for that matter, do you ever feel like other people have resentments pertaining to visual sexuality in such a way that their resentments affect you? Yes. The main thing is that sometimes I feel like I should be less vain,
but when I look around me and notice how people seem to have more admiration and respect for good-looking women, I think that my vanity is justified and I go on being vain. And if the world reacted differently to good-looking women, didn’t make “good-looking” more worthy of respect than, say, kindness, I think I might be inclined to work harder on being kind to other people.

Yes, of course it is.

What’s to feel about it? That’s how men are wired. I am not outraged, I don’t feel guilty - it is what it is.

I don’t have to imagine. I say (to myself) “nice boobs” or “nice butt” or “dang, she’s pretty”.

Not often. The only times I was aware of it was from gay guys - I am generally clueless about things like that, and have become progressively more clueless as I age.

It’s not common enough to be a feature in my life. When it happened, I didn’t have much of a reaction - later I saw it sort of as a compliment, but :shrugs:

No, I don’t resent it - it’s just part of life.

Other people resenting it is mildly different. I understand how women want not to be objectified. So I try not to be obvious when I do it.

Being the sexual aggressor, in the sense that men make the first move, is IMO almost unrelated to whether or not they are visually oriented. Being the sexual aggressor is just another part of male/men’s sexuality.

But being shy around women is also pretty common. One of those things men have to overcome. Men more than women, because women can attract men to some degree passively, by being pretty. Men have to demonstrate some kind of emotional attractiveness, or that they have high status, and so forth.

Women spend a lot more time on their appearance than men do. That is another fairly obvious fact. Make-up for men, for example, isn’t really a thing, despite the best efforts of companies who would love to double their customer base.

The ambivalences and ambiguity of my sexuality are pretty much gone - I am married (rather happily) and we have kind of worked this out already.

Because I am generally ready to have sex whenever my wife wants to. And vice versa.

My wife finds it hard to believe that I think she is hot. And for some reason it is hard for me to convince her that I am not “just saying that” - I do, really and truly, think she is sexually attractive. It’s not an act, I am not being polite. I like looking at her (dressed and otherwise), she does really have the butt that all other butts aspire to, I do in fact think she’s prettier than “her” for various values of “her”.

But that is how it is supposed to work. I originally asked her out because she has a big chest and blue eyes to die for. Then we dated for a while and I discovered that she is very smart, a genuinely nice person, has an intriguing off-beat sense of humor, and personality quirks that complement mine. Now I am in love with her mind, her personality, and her sense of humor. And I still want to pat her butt at nearly every opportunity, and see where that leads.

But as I say, that seems normal to me.

Regards,
Shodan

Yeah, this is what I’m curious about. I’m certainly well aware that many people (perhaps most people?) do believe that both of these characteristics are typical of male people and considerably less so of female people. (Although after the drubbing from the previous blog-thread I’ll be damned if I’ll point to the comparative lack of either one and say “here is a feminine characteristic”, lest a dozen people post in reply that “How does that make you feminine? I’m not sexually aggressive or visually oriented and I am male and I don’t think of myself as feminine or womanly” or “I’m a woman and that doesn’t describe me, I’m as sexually aggressive as any guy and a hot body turns me on, so you not having those characteristics sure doesn’t make you a girl”…).

Still, it does seem to be a widespread notion that this is a sex difference, yes?

Anyway, I’m wondering if maybe they aren’t separate characteristics, or not entirely separate characteristics, so much as the visual thing leads to behavior that is interpreted as sexually aggressive.

I agree - they are separate characteristics. IOW men who are attracted to rich women, or high status women, or women with a great sense of humor, they would still (largely) be the ones who make the first move.

Then I disagree with those who beat you up - being visually oriented, and being sexually aggressive, are male characteristics. Not exclusive to males, but predominant.

It’s rather similar to women who say they watch porn. Maybe they do, but the overwhelming majority of people who watch porn are men/male/you know what I mean.

Men watch porn, because porn is (mostly) visual depictions of people having sex. And men are visually oriented and pursue sex. Women watch rom-coms, because women are relationship-oriented, and rom-coms are (mostly) plot-driven depictions of women being romantically pursued. Of course, there is overlap - some men don’t watch porn and do watch romantic comedies, and some women don’t like romantic comedies and do watch porn. But the majority don’t swing that way.

Regards,
Shodan

PS - I really hope this doesn’t sound condescending, but your OP is clear and not excessively wordy. FWIW.

Women watch porn way more than you think. Just different types of porn from men.

Women do not watch visual depictions of people having sex nearly as much as men do.

Regards,
Shodan

I don’t have any direct experience of being variant when it comes to the visual aspects of sexuality — it’s one area where I really do fit the widely-accepted notion of how males/men are. But I would imagine there are some who aren’t very visual in their sexuality (or very sexual in their visuality, if you prefer).

One area where I am variant is the “sexually aggressive” thing. I’m just not. I can meet women halfway, but no way I’m going beyond that. Never had that inclination. It’s like, on the one hand, it would be invasive and, at the same time, on the other hand, that it would be demeaning to me, begging. It’s actually a big deal, this core difference. I mean, it makes a difference, it makes sexuality for me (and, by extension, for male people like me) a difference experience than it is for the male folks who are sexually aggressive as generally anticipated.

No offense, but it is possible to make sexual advances to a woman without being either invasive, or begging. In fact, it usually works out better that way. If your idea is that men typically are invasive or begging as a necessary part of their pursuit, that is something with which I would disagree.

Regards,
Shodan

How are you defining this? Is it striking up conversation with an attractive stranger? Asking them on a date? Inviting them to your place afterwards? Initiating a kiss? Removing their clothes?

I’ve been intimate with men (including my husband) who did not act sexually aggressive at all, at least how I define it. But what they did do was make the first move when it came to expressing interest. For instance, it was my now-husband who found my profile and sent the first email. This, however, doesn’t mean I’ve never made the first move.

I didn’t mean to imply that making sexual advances is invasive, or that it is begging. Just that it feels foreign and wrong and weird to me to do it, and the specific way in which it feels foreign and wrong and weird happens to be that it feels like it would be invasive and also pathetic, like begging.

Yeah, that. Or at least the first overt move.

I don’t count catching someone’s eye and smiling as being quite the same thing.

I may be mistaken but I thought you were married… How did you work this out with your spouse when you were first dating?

Not me, you must have me confused with someone else. I’m poly, I have no need to work anything out with my partners except the perennial scheduling stuff, and I’ve never been married.

ETA: but (on rereading your post), yeah, I had to work this out with each partner I’ve ever had, and it was not self-evident how to do that at first.

While it is true that heterosexual women don’t tend to “make things happen” in the same way that guys tend to do, they still have to do something. The games that adolescent girls play are all about “doing” something for the sake of the opposite sex.

Assertive women definitely don’t wait for men to make the first step, but they are subtle with that first step. Instead of inviting a guy out on a date, they let the guy know about a party they will be attending and then will say something like “Maybe I will see you there.” Assertive women flirt. They return compliments. They ask for favors. It is my experience that this kind of femininity is the norm, not the exception.

Women in general are increasingly pushing against stereotypes, though. Used to be uncouth for a woman to have a frat-boy sense of humor, but it’s kind of hard to fit in with the modern workplace if you can’t laugh at the occasional piss-shit-dick joke. Similarly, it is hard to be successful in the workplace if you’re timid and shy and passive. As a woman, you learn real quick that you need to adopt certain assertive personality traits if you want to get out from behind the receptionist’s desk. Once you learn how to be assertive in one context, it is kind of hard to turn it off. Also, men are changing too. Maybe fifty years ago, a typical man would find the idea of an assertive woman off-putting just because of the negative imagery associated with it. But now we see that a woman like Michelle Obama has broad appeal. Michelle doesn’t strike me as someone who’d be passively waiting for anyone to give her a holler. But she is feminine. Just not conventionally so.

I stand corrected. I imagine the dynamics to be even more complicated than the conventional M/F model.

So how did you work it out with your partner(s)? I mean, someone had to make the opening move, right?