Looks like umkay is back, so we may as well get this thread started...

Maybe you should read up on the Umkay thing. It would certainly help. It’s fun.

But how do I know you’re real? :steeples fingers:

Are students there sometimes held back a year, or asked to attend remedial summer classes, if they’re a bit thick?

In your imagination, I can be whatever you want me to be, babe. :wink:

I think it was a combination of things. I was reading somewhat quickly, but I got the impression you were focusing on folks’ suggestion that this was the same person as umkay - as opposed to just another troll. Just got the impression that your disagreement with that issue may have caused you to lean towards giving the poster more credit overall than they deserved.

I also think there was some kind of “reinforcement” or “hive” phenomena going on here. Sorta like the “wisdom of the masses.” (I’m sure someone will be able to provide a better term.) Once one or 2 folk took strong positions, the “troll” side snowballed - whereas you were kinda standing on your own.

Then add in other things - on-line and especially in the Pit, it is sexier to out a troll than to suggest someone is on the up-and-up. That helped the snowball roll.

On your side, there is the whole “defense of my position - especially when I am the isolated voice of reason and am under attack” mindset.

So no biggie. It was fun - and you looking mildly gullible added to the overall enjoyment - so thanks!

I was wondering if that would be part of the phony background story:

" Well", the devotee-dogger wannabee lied, “I was was driving south from Scotland to Leeds by way of Manchester along the N- grumble-cough-mumble when I was suddenly blinded by this F-cking Awful Yellow Interior.”

"My car seemed to eject from the roadway as if all of Midlands had collectively thrown up. I awoke on the ground, thrown a few feet from the car, without use of my legs. I saw the bright yellow of the car and I
tried my best to crawl away from it, all the time praying fervently, “Please Lord, Don’t Let Me Die a Chav…!”

Think about it this way: why do you even know it’s a thing? Because someone used it as a way to get attention, which they did because it’s a very unusual and kind of lurid. If you have an unusual problem and you want to ask the Internet about it, wouldn’t you go someplace where other people would probably have heard of that problem instead of someplace where there was almost no chance anybody would know anything about it? You’d sure get attention that second way, though.

Though he is an admitted troll, at least of other boards.

Maybe, but I wouldn’t say I was involved in the umkay incident, and this one wasn’t hard to spot. jaymac didn’t even get to the point of making claims like being an avid quadriplegic skydiver.

Here you have someone repeating a similar set of details as an opener to their board experience, along with oddities, like writing in “Scottish”, getting terms wrong (“form” instead of “year”), offering personal details rather than responding like a typical person would, adding details along the way (e.g. ‘the bus didn’t come’, ‘the first bus didn’t come and the next bus wasn’t wheelchair accessible’)…

Frankly I’m a bit of a loss as to how many strikes of the clock past the thirteenth it would take you to start wondering about the legitimacy of the other 12.

Certainly there just has to be a claim to which your initial response is to be doubtful? Right? If so, why are you doubtful? And what do you do? You most likely say something like, “Hmmm. Can you provide evidence for your claim?” Seems to me that’s pretty much what happened here.

It’s not a relationship quandary. It’s a pretty involved kind of fetish. It is one that apparently has never been brought up on these boards by someone who is honestly involved in such circumstances.

Man, what I wouldn’t give for the return of DORRANCE #5X STAINLESS STEEL HOOKS girl.

No, it wasn’t that what it was, was this:

Imagine for a moment that Cinnamon Imp’s 2PM meeting with jaymac had actually happened, and had verified that this was a real person - and the story was substantially genuine.

We’d then have been in a position where a moderately vulnerable person came here for help and was met with terrible hostility, scorn and mocking.

That was pretty much the whole of my concern. Now, obviously, it didn’t play out that way - and although what people correctly identified as inconsistencies in the story now seem obvious in hindsight, I’m still not sure that a genuine case couldn’t also appear that way completely by accident.

All it would take would be a little confusion on the part of the visitor, made worse by a pile-on. And that’s my concern, going forward - actually, it’s two concerns:

  1. How do I ensure I don’t get taken in by trolls in future?
  2. How could we, as a board, avoid mistakenly identifying someone as a troll, on the basis of inference from what might perhaps be quite innocently-made errors?

I definitely agree with this. I could feel the whole thing snowballing and escalating, even when there was no fresh evidence for it to do so.

I didn’t ever feel personally under attack - I was very concerned about the ongoing feeding frenzy though, if it had turned out to be unwarranted.

I don’t know how you guys figure these things out, but I’m glad there are sharper people than I on the case. :slight_smile:

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you - I thought I’d missed this part of the unfolding story

That pic made my day, I can go back to putting down flooring with a happy heart

That’s possible, and I was concerned that could happen (in general, not with the meeting). But then again maybe a real person would have understood why posters were skeptical.

You do realize that, for the most part, if a new person gets called a troll who is not, the world won’t end. They’ll just go to some other message board and post their question there. The only way that would even remotely be important is if it was life or death. If it’s not, it’s just truly no big deal.

As someone who was partially involved in umkay-gate (and someone who fell for the hoax and tried to defend her in the pile-on, much like Mangetout) I’m glad to say I didn’t for a second believe that our new friend was real. The situations just felt too eerily similar. Except this time, I chose to take a back seat and watch the thing unfold. I was on the fence about making a post in the original “What should I do about this crazy devotee” thread, but decided, even if I didn’t believe her, not to be a part of the pitchfork crew. As we have seen, there is little you can keep from the resident criminal specialists. :slight_smile:

And yes, thanks for the link to the “SDMB” picture, that was fun!

Well, it might be a bit humiliating for them now because Umkay 1 and Umkay 2 have ruined it for them, but a picture of them with a sign that says SDMB would clear it up in about 2 minutes as opposed to us arguing for two days across 3 threads only to have the person banned and a bunch of closed threads.

No, I’ve dated gingers before!

Why thank you :slight_smile:

I appreciate the sentiments and the song, but I’m very much female!

Missing the reference/tune here, sorry!

Kind of no point posting my proof that I was there now! Hmmph.

I promise I’ll do the same the next time a troll from *Rutherglen *(of all godforsake places) shows up :wink:

Took me a few reads, but I got it.

**RealOmegaMan **take note, this is how to serenade your woman :wink:

Time for ScotDopeFest2…?

That was throwing me too.

Or to waste time hanging out in a coffee shop posting to the Dope, about someone who doesn’t exist and won’t show? :wink:

You really don’t. Or didn’t. Whatever :stuck_out_tongue:

“Hi, I’m interested in the citroen on your website. Is it still for sale? Thanks, I’ll try to come round”

Fuck do I feel that dumb for taking 30 seconds out of my busy day.

I’m curious about the similarities in the claimed character though. I wonder if there’s a troll forum out there where people swap tales?

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Time for ScotDopeFest2…?
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I’m up for that. Probably best to avoid Waxy’s this time. That wasn’t the best idea I ever had.