You had a reason to believe that Astral was Town, but you didn’t have any reason to believe that ed was Town. Your argument about a pseudo-crypto-masonry is pure garbage.
You did, in fact, have a clue as to what Astral is. That clue is now being called into doubt, but folks should go by the information they have.
i only have the information that i have.
the information i had led me to believe that ed was telling the truth and i was right. and i think i made it very clear that an ed lynch was not wise.
the fact that we have at least one person that acts in absolute contradiction to that advice all the while espousing that they think that the person they just flipped into the gallows is town makes me go, hmmmmmm.
the information that nat provided was insufficient for me to conclude that he was right about either himself or astral. i think i am going to be proved correct on this one, as well.
the fact that people act on information that they have should not be held against them.
matter of fact, if i am right then you should count your lucky stars.
<snipped>
apparantly not.
i keep trying to keep townies from getting lynched and that seems to failing miserably.
As promised:
vote Natlaw
I was pretty certain he was Scum after the error-ridden PM, and wanted to get it on record even though I couldn’t put a vote down at that particular time without being greatly annoyed. So here’s the vote, now that I’m on my laptop.
As for everything else being discussed, I’m not sure…I am utterly baffled by what Natlaw has done. When I am Scum, pretty much the first thing I discuss on the Scum boards is how you do not, under any circumstances, do something to save a fellow Scum that will expose yourself. If it seems certain another Scum, even a power role, is going down, you vote for them and save yourselves. If Natlaw is Scum and so is Astral, all it means is that one’s death was delayed by a couple of days, and the other went from no suspicion at all to dead in a Day. It just doesn’t make any sense. But neither does the idea that a Scum would out himself to get people to switch from one VT to another. And while it seems like I’m talking myself out of a vote here, the “scum wouldn’t do that” path is rife with fuckups, and that role PM just cannot be real.
And yet when Wanderers tries to keep townies from getting lynched, you get all up in his business over it.
Actually, that role PM does raise another question: We’ve had at least two false Detective claims now, and both were pretty bad. No experienced Scum would write up anything that transparent, nor allow a buddy to try one. And Natlaw’s claim, at least, came after Scum had a whole Night to discuss and polish it up (one reason why, if Natlaw were honest, he should have posted his PM when he claimed, instead of waiting overNight). Should we conclude from this that the random number gods were kind to us at setup, and that the entire Scum team is inexperienced?
Failing that, the best hypothesis I can come up with is that Natlaw came up with the claim on the spur of the moment, and that since he already had the oddity of detecting race in his pre-Night claims, that crippled the Scum’s options for what they could polish out of it.
But then we have to explain why Natlaw came up with that on the spur of the moment: If Astral is some high-value Scum that was worth possibly outing another Scum to save, then they should have planned ahead, since he was already starting to get some heat on previous Days. On the other hand, if Astral is innocent and Natlaw was hoping for Townie cred for saving him, well that doesn’t seem like the sort of thing someone would come up with so spontaneously, either, and it’s not like they wouldn’t have had plenty more opportunities to put it in place later. Natlaw wasn’t exactly under any pressure, either, that he would have felt that he needed to get some credibility right then; from my records, I don’t think anyone ever voted him before that point.
Yes. The whole thing is just baffling.
Except you don’t actually have that information, you’re making assumptions that are not proven to be true to anyone else playing the game.
vote Natlaw
i only have pms from the mod.
uh, wanderers lynched ed who is as near as i can tell still town.
albeit dead town.
This, I think, hits on the most puzzling part of the while fiasco. Regardless of **Astral’s **alignment I can’t figure out what motivation a Scum aligned **Natlaw **has here. Still, we have a claim and counter-claim so one of them has to die Today and Natlaw’s claim seems so amateur he is the one for Today.
and i swear to whomever. i promise you i am not failing to bleach on purpose, maha.
jeesh, i suck when it comes to that kind of stuff.
Exactly
No one else knew that at the time.
scum would know.
Well, once you consider how many times you are quoting this game. I mean if there is a flat percentage of time you forget, then of course you would hit a lot of them.
I mean, what are you at now Peeks, 500 ?
Oh boy. Looks like I’m late to the party here. Give me a second.
First off:
vote Natlaw
When playing catch-up, I was thinking to myself that the only possible town player who would have a Palantir was Denethor (and he was scum). IIRC, The only other Palantirs that were in the canon belonged Saruman (then to Aragorn who is dead) and Sauron (Both most likely scum).
Secondly: I’m not convinced Astral is not scum. It would be prudent for a possible vig to consider killing him, maybe not actually killing him but seriously give it some thought. The reason being is that natlaw knows better than to protect scum just for the sake of doing it. If Astral is scum, he’s got to be something worth preserving, (Strongman, politician, or extra killer) spring to mind.
Thirdly: Some people will hate me for revealing this, but I received a piece of parchment during the night. Anyone care to speculate on what this might mean, as I haven’t the foggiest.
NETA: Added to the first paragraph: Before I read Nanook’s counterclaim.
I hate this.
I soooooo want to vote Nanook.
But I also don’t want to pull a Peeker.
Speaking of Peeker
**
Unvote Peeker
**
Vote Natlaw
Some part of me wants to think that the “” Pm Mahaloth “” verbiage is not that far out of line. I would like to think that I had some game, some Role PM that had “” PM Mahaloth “”.
But, I am going to walk down a path were I confuse even myself here, I fear.
If we get this wrong, I hope we have time to right the ship tomorrow. Then again, The scum would have [and apparently DID] already bus Nat here, eh?
And I have no clue about ““Precious””. Apparently the Mont Blanc Pens are back out, en masse.