The argument is not that I subbed in, therefore I can’t be scum. Some players even believe that a sub is more likely scum on the assumption that being handed a scum role makes some players ask to sub out because of fear. Playing scum can be nervewracking. The argument is that it is not fair to judge me based on my participation on Day One because I subbed in late and had to do things like actually read the thread before really participating. You fuckers talked a shitton on day one. I was not happy. So voting late and such are artifacts of subbing in and not scumminess.
Color coded vote counts if anyone’s interested. Note that I put Astral as Town for Days 1-3, assuming he didn’t know scum and they didn’t know him until Night 3 (spoilered)
[spoiler]Day 1:
Pleo(1): [del]**peeker **(304-328)[/del], [del]Astral(655-684)[/del], Meeko(778), [del]Suburban(796-954)[/del]
cucuy(0): [del]peeker(328-445), peeker(447-454)[/del]
SpecialEd(6): [del]Guiri(345-351)[/del], [del]peeker(800-856)[/del], Astral(823), Chronos(824), [del]Guiri(878-1009)[/del], Telcontar(883), MHaye(887), Suburban(954), Chipa(1005)
Suburban(10): [del]Chronos(372-542)[/del], [del]Telcontar(578-883)[/del], [del]Red(596-897)[/del], [del]Hoopy(639-926)[/del], Oredigger/Who (643), [del]Pleo(644-884)[/del], cucuy(739), [del]Chipa(774-930)[/del], Nanook(797), Red(923), Gadarere(931), peekercpa(945-1019), SpecialEd(947), Pleonast(1004), Guiri(1009), Drain(1075), Inner(1091), [del]OneandOnly(1097-1131)[/del]
Chronos(0): [del]**Hoopy **[404-506][/del], [del]SpecialEd[513-808][/del]
Hoopy(0): [del]Pleonast[408-644][/del]
USCDiver(0): [del]Chronos[585-759][/del], [del]Drain Bead [617-1075][/del], [del]Gadarene[622-931][/del]
Nanook(0): [del]peekercpa[586-798][/del]
peekercpa(1): [del]Suburban[605-796][/del], Natlaw[764], [del]SpecialEd[808-947][/del]
Astral(1): [del]OneandOnly[612-1097][/del], USCDiver[614], [del]Nanook[673-797][/del]
MHaye(0): [del]Pleonast[884-1004][/del]
Chipacabra(2): Hoopy[1013], peekercpa[1019], OneAndOnly(1131)
Not Voting (1): Ninja/Snickers
Day 2
Astral(1): Red(1270), [del]SpecialEd(1324-1462)[/del]
SpecialEd(4): Chronos(1273), Chipacabra(1323), [del]Meeko(1336-1481)[/del], [del]Astral(1720)[/del], Snickers(1773)
Chipacabra(11): Hoopy(1287), Gadarene(1299), Drain(1406), Nanook(1421), SpecialEd(1462), cucuy(1600), OneAndOnly(1609). Guiri(1613), USCDiver(1620), [del]Snickers(1629-1655)[/del], Natlaw(1682), Mhaye(1765)
OneAndOnly(0): [del]Peeker(1381-1496)[/del]
Mhaye(0): [del]Pleo(1410-1631)[/del]
Pleo(1): [del]Meeko(1481-1737)[/del], Inner(1761)
Hoopy(1): Peeker(1496)
Meeko(0): [del]Pleo(1631-1763)[/del]
Peeker(2): Meeko(1737), Pleo(1763)
Not Voting(1): Oredigger/Who
Day 3
Specialed(6): [del]Astral(1850-2078)[/del], Chronos(1854), [del]Meeko(1861-1950)[/del], Doctorwho(2064), Natlaw(2080), Guiri(2085), Mhaye(2116), Oneandonly(2126)
Astral(5): Redskeezix(1915), SpecialEd(2004), [del]OneAndOnly(2036-2126)[/del], Drainbead(2069), Hoopy(2105), Inner(2106)
Meeko(0): [del]Pleo(1941-2065)[/del]
Pleonast(2): Meeko(1950), [del]Drain(1959-2069)[/del], [del]**Natlaw **(2073-2080)[/del], **Snickers **(2109)
Snickers(2): Nanook(1996), USCDiver(2003)
Hoopy(1): Peeker(2018)
Peeker(1): [del]Hoopy(2045-2105)[/del], Pleonast(2065)
Drainbead(1): Astralrejection(2078)
Not Voting(1): cucuy
Day 4
Peeker(0): [del]Meeko(2156-2260)[/del], [del]Hoopy(2166-2210)[/del], [del]OneAndOnly(2180-2197)[/del]
Hoopy(0): [del]Peeker(2160-2165)[/del]
OneAndOnly(0): [del]Peeker(2165-2208)[/del]
Natlaw(15): Astral(2190), Nanook(2191), Chronos(2192), Inner(2195), OneAndOnly(2197), Peeker(2208), Hoopy(2210), Drain(2244), USCDiver(2248), Red(2258), Meeko(2260), Mhaye(2271), Snickers(2325), DoctorWho(2329), Guiri(2341)
Nanook(1): [del]Mhaye(2270-2271)[/del], Natlaw(2292)
Not Voting(1): cucuy
Day 5
Astral(7): Chronos(2407), [del]USCDiver(2408-2593)[/del], Hoopy(2418), [del]Meeko(2434-2579)[/del], Inner(2444), Snickers(2450), Drainbead(2465), Doctorwho(2515), Nanook(2600)
OneAndOnly(0): [del]Peeker(2410-2429)[/del], Peeker(2582)
Chronos(0): [del]Peeker(2429-2480)[/del]
Peeker(5): Oneandonly(2415), [del]Nanook(2492-2600)[/del], Mhaye(2552), Guiri(2558), **Meeko **(2579), USC(2593)
Cucuy(1): [del]Peeker(2513-2582)[/del], Peeker(2592)
Not Voting(1): cucuy
Day 6
Peeker(9): Chronos(2674), Hoopy(2683), USCDiver(2696), Meeko(2704), Mhaye(2710), OneAndOnly(2712), DoctorWho(2747), Snickers(2757), Inner(2788)
OneAndOnly(0): [del]Peeker(2688-2698)[/del]
Chronos(1): Peeker(2698)
Inner(1): Guiri(2761)[/spoiler]
WoW on OreDigger/Doctor Who[spoiler]Oredigger77
#170 Confirms, it’s good to vote for anti-town actions but not a single anti-town action
#195 Brief comment on Night 1’s claim and handshake failure
#248 Fluff - re: colorless
#324 Fluff - re: search function
#643 Votes Suburban (4th vote), is pinged by Suburban’s smudging and Astral’s unvote
#653 To Astral, best to ignore Pleo’s claim
#758 Fluff
#1217 Happy with dead scum, no time to reread
#1302 Wonders why Telcontar didn’t selfprotect, is suspicious of Astral, will review
#1802 Missed Day, has requested to be subbed
Doctor Who
#1815 Fluff (joins game)
#1824 Fluff
#1829 Fluff
#1900 Is suspicious of Special Ed, needs to re-read, suspects some scum are lying low, questions Special Ed about a comment on mislynches
#2064 Votes Special Ed (forces tie with Astral), not convinced by other cases, is “interested in” Drain for smudge, Peeker
#2074 Retracts comment on Drain, misread
#2102 Fluff
#2135 Fluff
#2329 Votes Natlaw (14th vote), baffled by timing, believes Nanook, has no ideas about parchment
#2388 Fluff
#2515 Votes Astral based on the fact that Natlaw knew his name, wonders if scum need to find the ring, is suspicious of OaOW’s claim and Peeker’s character’s alignment, plans to look into non-confirmed players
#2526 Responds to Chronos about explanation for OaOW’s claim, still mystified by claim
#2604 Is suspicious of late push to prevent Astral’s lynch, we need the information
#2607 To Meeko, explains why info from Astral’s death is important
#2635 Fluff
#2650 Fluff
#2655 Fluff
#2665 Fluff
#2742 Asks Peeker to post role PM to allows us to evaluate his claim
#2747 Votes Peeker, nothing in role PM to support claims, would consider “not voting” if Peeker clarified secret info
#2753 To Peeker, analyzing Natlaw’s claimed results is WIFOM
#2778 Advises Peeker to try finding remaining scum rather than betting on his towniness
#2854 Posts PM, claims Theoden[/spoiler]Analysis later, sorry.
**Vote Count:
Oneandonly(1): Hoopy
Day ends tomorrow at 11 AM Eastern**
Sorry for the delay. WOW on OaOW, part II. We join the party just after his vote for peeker on Day 4. Summary is mine alone, please correct me if there’s anything wrong.
[spoiler]
#2185: Reiterates that we really need to hear from Natlaw after his claim late yesterDay.
#2189: Requests that Natlaw posts his role name - he saved Astral when he (Natlaw) was under no pressure. If Nat’s scum, it’s a good chance that Astral is a scum power role.
#2197: Unvotes peeker, votes Natlaw. Mentions that today’s lynch is tied on, now let’s discuss Nat’s motivation behind the save.
#2212: In response to peeker, says he judged a confirmed Astral to be more valuable than ed, even though he believed ed was town.
#2215: Asks peeker what the optimal pay would’ve been? Just unvoting Astral changed nothing. Ed was likely to get lynched at some point. If Nat was honest, thenAstral was confirmed. If Nat’s not, then maybe he’s buying cred or Astral is a scum power role.
#2221: Says that no one else is condemning him for his vote; the only other one who was has stated their understanding for OaOW’s moves.
#2267: More explanation for the vote switch: while he believed ed was town, ed was likely to swing sooner or later because many viewed his failshake as scummy. Couldn’t think of a reason for a non-pressured detective cclaim from Natlaw, so that would confirm Astral as town. He had to save Astral and kill ed, even though he believed ed to be town. Of the motivations behind the save, it’s more likely that Natlaw was trying to build town cred.
#2272: In response to MHaye’s post saying that Nanook has just bought a bunch of cred, feels that’s extremely unlikely. If town has a detective, this play would net town three scum. It’s more likely that Natlaw was either outing the detective, buying cred, or saving a powerful scum Astral.
#2274: Main utilities of a detective is to provide confirmed townies. There’s no worth in lynching them to prove the detective is a detective.
#2275: Further explanation of the vote switch: at the time, he believed Natlaw’s claim. Made the decision based on available info; that the info has now changed does not make a bad decision then.
#2310: In response to Meeko, it’s just part of mafia that some players have more info than others.
#2326: Lays out the reasoning behind Natlaw’s botched claim: it seems to be an attempt to buy cred.
#2399: N4 post joking with peeker
#2415: Votes peeker for muddying the waters. More discussion of the vote switch. Points out that he could’ve carried out the same vote change at lynch -1 without exposing Nat.
#2416: In response to peeker, says that a player comitting to a claim is enough to believe them at lynch-1/2 hour. If they’re lying, we trade one for one; a good thing for town.
#2424: Claims Merry, a vanilla townie. Posts PM.
#2428: In response to peeker poking USCDiver, says USC is assuming that scum have a blocker since Nanook reported he was blocked.
#2430: Asks peeker for the reason behind his vote for Chronos.
#2432: Posts that peeker still hasn’t given a reason for his Chronos vote.
#2435: Asks peeker again why he voted for Chronos.
#2436: Says scum wouldn’t have missed his handshake with ed, but town might have. That’s why he claimed.
#2440: For him to have handshook, either he’s VT or had access to the VT role PM
#2442: Adds more clarification: by posting his PM, town now know as much as scum, a good thing.
#2459: Wonders how Natlaw knew Astral’s role name. Either Nat’s not a standard watcher, scum have an investigator, or Astral is scum.
#2475: Disagrees with USCDiver’s analysis: Sauron’s specficially mentioned in his PM; Sauron and his minions are who OaOW is worried about.
#2478: Agrees with Snickers: anyone who claims Sauron and town would be lynched right quick regardless of an investigator’s exoneration.
#2527: Reiterates reason behind claim: scum would’ve noticed his handshake with ed, and would have discussed it. Town might not have, or maybe forgot it, so he felt scum had more information than town. Posting the PM changed that.
#2542: Fluff post with peeker: Og can keep the opera.
#2545: Thinks that Chronos’ idea that peeker was trying for force Nanook to investigate Astral is an interesting theory; might have credence if Astral comes back a godfather.
#2547: In response to peeker, what do you do when it’s 30 minutes from day’s end and you believe both contenders to be town? Voting for someone you think is scum at that point doesn’t do anything to get them lynched and one of the two “townies” would still swing.
#2550: Given the information available at the time, couldn’t believe that Natlaw’s claim was a gambit to save scum, making Astral town. Chose to save a confirmed townie over a townie irreparably tainted by the failshake.
#2557: Would prefer a lynch of peeker today.
#2608: It’s the last minute save that throws him: likelihood that the save was too late and Astral would swing, leading to two dead scum (if Astral’s scum). But if Astral’s town, Natlaw’s bought cred.
#2611: An investigator’s counter-claim of Natlaw probably wouldn’t matter, because Natlaw never claimed full investigator.
#2613: Natlaw could’ve known Astral’s role name in two ways: from a scum investigator or from his watching, if his role powers were as he stated.
#2615: In response to Snickers, standard tracker doesn’t usually get the role name. But it could be a variant in this game.
#2621: In explanation to Meeko, says that Snickers conflated the two options in #2613, then realized they should be considered separately.
#2624: Says that regardless of the size of Natlaw’s lies about his palantir’s powers, Astral stands to get lynched.
#2632: N5 post happy about crunchy spider death.
#2640: N5 post - Mahaloth is teasing us.
#2641: N5 post joking about the source of the scream.
#2680: Wonders if now it’s time for full claims from all.
#2681: Says it’s WIFOM, but it’s not really credible that a third scum (OaOW) would be involved in Natlaw’s failed save just to save scum that’s not all that powerful anyway.
#2701: Asks peeker if he thinks that he (OaOW) is scum or not - he’s confused.
#2703: Joke post - he’s on the way to being merry. Hooray for ale!
#2712: Votes peeker, for reasons given yesterDay.
#2793: Joke post about peek’s baby elephant impression in response to Guiri.
#2803: Peeker isn’t sharing data points behind his conclusions. Even if the conclusions are wrong, the data points could be valuable.
#2808: Peeker should share the hard facts he claims to have. What the worst that’ll happen - he gets modkilled before he’s lynched?
#2810: Peeker’s continued refusal to share his info is the very definition of a magic bag.
#2830: N6 joke post.
#2835: Asks who’s still alive and who’s confirmed as a first step to finding the last scum.
#2844: In response to USCDiver, says he’s received no items.
[\spoiler]
Things that jump out at me:
[ul]
[li]I don’t understand the three scum comment in #2272 - where does the third scum come from in this situation? Wait, I think I get it now. Scum A, that claims limited detective; scum B, that counter-claims full detective, and scum Y, the scum that A must have “investigated.” I think.[/li][li]#2415: says that if he was scum, he could’ve changed his vote at lynch - 1 (I think this is to mean lynch - 1 hour) without exposing Natlaw. But Natlaw’s post at 10:33 AM (#2124) didn’t really give us that much more information than the original post (#2113) at 1:23 AM the night before. **Natlaw **was already exposed.[/li][li]I don’t buy the reasoning behind #2681. I think it is credible that scum would be involved in Natlaw’s failed save. If they can’t talk during the day (which I believe they can’t), and if **Natlaw **got results of his investigation on **Astral **late N2 or early D3, there was no other way he could tell scum to save Astral. Pulling out the “Astral’s a hobbit” was a good plan; it’s guaranteed to get scum attention. They wouldn’t have known that Astral wasn’t hugely powered at the time, and it only took one vote. Yeah, it’s a lot of “ifs” but in my mind, it fits.[/li][li]Now that I’ve reviewed it, I also don’t know if I really believe the reasoning behind the vote switch. He’s said that voting for someone he thought was scum would do no good, so he voted **ed **even though he believed **ed **was town because **ed **was going to swing sometime anyway. I don’t buy this - yeah, he definitely attracted votes, but I think people were starting to abandon the idea that the handshake was a scum ploy. And I think that switching the vote to someone else, someone that you think is scum, wouldn’t have been useless. Especially because it meant that **Astral **would’ve swung anyway (the very person scummy **Natlaw **wanted to save). Voting **ed **sealed the deal, made the save certain. It’s the only way the save would’ve worked, and I think directly implicates **OaOW **as scum.[/li][/ul]
When coupled with the **Natlaw **questioning about his claim, I think it’s just too much.
Vote One and Only Wanderers
Sorry about the spoiler box not working - I thought the Day ended today, and wanted to get that posted. Apologies.
Unfortunately, I will be unavailable for the majority of the evening. I’ll try to get to computers throughout the day, but I cannot make any guarantees.
Guiri, I think you will find, if you were to go digging, that I tend to play in a similar way in every mafia game, regardless of alignment. I AM working on this but it can be difficult. At least, I’ve pretty much kicked the habit of finding a player I’m sure is town and then just voting like they do!
Of the cases, that have been made so far, I find the one against OAOW to be stronger than the one against me. So:
Vote One And Only Wanders for scummy voting.
I believe we all already know this:
But, in the assumption it will be of marginal help :
Lord of the Rings Role PM
You are Celeborn.
You are a member of the Alliance of Light.
You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed.
Powers:
You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching.
You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed.
Has anyone ever made the Peer Pressure vote?
**Vote OAOW
**
**
You know, “Everyone’s Doing it” **
And furthermore, I am willing to bet we are at 1 - 2 scum tops. So, I think its, … I think I should defer.
Agreed. He had just 3 days to catch up on loads of posts. I just noticed that he happened to vote after the only known scum in the bandwagons, Drain, on those two Days.
Hmm. When you voted, your reasoning seemed pretty weak and I understood your vote was intended as some sort of a conversation starter:
Now you have given further reasons for voting OaOW:
I’m curious too. I’m somewhat more curious about why he was so sure USC was Town but haven’t found anything.
Scum 1 is Nat who claims to save Scum 2 (astral), Scum 3 would be me in this case.
Do you really see team scum throwing away 2 (Nat + me) to save a standrad scum? If Astral had come back uber scum, maybe, but for me to be scum would actually be ridiculous in this scenario.
Hopefully the lynching of me will flush out some data. Look closely at anyone who said my vote switch from Astral was a null tell, but who voted me for it anyway
vote Hoopy
WOW on USCDiver.
#92: Signs up
#99: Confirms receipt of role PM
#112: Joke post at peeker: should we post names or mysterious YouTube links?
#310: Says his role PM agress with all handshakes summarized by Telcontar. Adds 4 Ds to the last section/paragraph.
#311: Clarifies that his PM shakes well with the ones he could figure out. The more cryptic ones he didn’t understand.
#313: Teaches Astral (and me!) how to search the thread for individual posters
#315: Asks whether he duplicated anyone’s handshake with his 4 Ds
#402: If Mahaloth gave the scum a VT PM, handshaking with a few VTs helps scum more than town. Clarifies which handshakes his PM matches, as summarized by Telcontar. Agrees that “all” wasn’t the best word choice.
#466: Sees the reasoning behind stopping any handshakes - it’s meaningless. Should hold off on third party discussion until we see what night brings.
#486: Post about previous game experience. Checking in before bed.
#539: Questions how the player that Chronos knows the identity of would know anything about Chronos after a name claim.
#557: Asks Meeko why he thinks there’s a 24/7 scum board. In canon, hobbits and Aragorn were attacked before forming the Fellowship on Weathertop.
#559: Clarifies that previous post about canon was in response to peeker. He wasn’t making any comments on this game.
#582: Says to Gadarene that there’s a difference between not following canon and not being in canon. It’d be unusual for any players to have a role that’s not in canon. And if their role name doesn’t agree with canon alignment, they’re not going to say that.
#600: His PM disagrees with Gadarene’s but agrees with eveone else’s. Says that Chronos, as a claimed non-vanilla, is making decisions based on a VT PM he’s never seen. We should focus on the person who’s disagreed with letter counts and hasn’t posted another shake attempt.
#614: Votes Astral, because his vote and then unvote of USCDiver is fishy.
#615: His impression of the shakes that disagreed were based on semantics and not actual substance.
#616: NETA post to correct typo in previous
#618: Meeko’s being more comprehensible than in previous games. Wanted some more explanation about why Meeko suspected coordination in the hash discussion.
#720: Most damning evidence on Astral is his “me too” vote without any other reasoning.
#721: Doesn’t think Chronos has said anything about the Power role-ness (or not) of the person he has information about.
#1080: Lotsa posts to read. Formatting problems shouldn’t be much of an issue, especially after Chronos pointed out the possibility. Glad Gadarene changed his vote. Doesn’t want to lynch a claimed investigator on D1. Happy with his vote on Astral for the vote switching.
#1098: The reason Astral’s vote sticks in USCDiver’s mind so much and seems particularly scummy is because USC knows his own alignment.
#1169: N1 post celebrating scummy Plankton’s demise
#1218: N1 post stating that scum’s been lynched on D1 in a few previous games.
#1221: N1 post - to have a big game thread, invite peeker and ed.
#1227: N1 post - doesn’t care that people are wordy, just wants well written and easy to decipher posts
#1231: N1 post joking with peeker
1232: N1 post correcting coding of previous
#1243: N1 post stating that sigs can be used to link to Days and Nights in the game
#1244: N1 post showing his sig that does just that. Warning! Included Rickroll.
#1247: N1 post joking that Chronos ruined the Rickroll
#1252: N1 post - decided between Rickroll and a dead link tribute to Wildest Bill
#1433: Starting D2 read through. Meta game question: does anyone remember when cover roles were handed out in Harry Potter? Could make a difference here.
#1446: Abandoning read through attempt.
#1473: Asks peeker to elaborate on why we shouldn’t vote for ed under any circumstances.
#1524: Totally lost by what peeker’s trying to say in his “don’t vote ed” case
#1527: Explains what is meant by jsyk
#1529: Jokes that Pleo will vote Inner for the unexplained acronym use
#1562: Lays out how peeker’s half-mason claim rather smells. USCDiver’s character doesn’t have any specifically named family, in either book or movie.
#1571: Another Wildest Bill tribute in response to peeker.
#1620: Votes Chipacabra because of Chip’s scummy vote on ed.
#1675: Asks Meeko why he thinks the game is sideways, especially in regards to this game.
#1828: N2 post welcoming Doctor Who and explaining SDMB handle origin
#1905: Explains that RoOsH goes by ToeJam now, but doesn’t play much because of med school.
#1995: Joke post in response to special ed riffing on Meeko’s maleness
#1997: Annoyed by nested quotes not working correctly, as in his previous post
#2003: Doesn’t see the lynch of ed. Agrees with Nanook’s assessment of Snickers’ posts, says she should be held to a higher standard even if she’s new. Votes Snickers.
#2122: In response to Meeko, says that Pleonast isn’t getting a pass, he’s being ignored. Requests to Natlaw for more info is a separate issue.
#2125: Asks Natlaw why he’s coming out with his investigator claim so late in the Day
#2169: Clarifies that OaOW’s vote switch came on Day 3, not Day 2 as peeker stated
#2172: Posts to add signature with links
#2248: Votes Natlaw. Says that peeker doesn’t have real information and is making assumptions that are not proven to be true for anyone else.
#2252: Can’t figure out the scum motivation behind Natlaw’s save. Still, someone has to die and Natlaw’s claim is amateur, so he’s the one.
#2254: Scoffs at peeker’s PMs from Mahaloth. Says that no one else knew that ed was town at the time of OaOW’s switch.
#2268: Wonders why Natlaw stuck his neck out for Astral to gain cred when he didn’t need it - he was under no pressure. If he’s scum, he’s had time to discuss his awkward claim over night, so it should have been better than it was. Maybe Natlaw’s a lone third party.
#2310: Says that Meeko might prefer open setup games
#2342: In response to Guiri, says that few people switched votes because Natlaw’s claim came so late. Doesn’t know what he would’ve done if he had been in a position to vote Astral (which he wasn’t, he’d voted for someone else)
#2347: Clarifies timing: Natlaw’s first claim was the night before; then he posted more information about the claim 1/2 hour before the lynch
#2359: Joke post about Mahaloth’s editing and delayed reveal
#2360: NETA to clarify who he was responding to with his previous post
#2368: Corrects Mahaloth’s mispelling of Saruman
#2393: Tells peeker to wait until Saturday like everyone else
#2408: Echoes Chronos’ reasoning for voting Astral. Votes Astral.
#2425: Says mmm, hmm in response to Astral’s wondering how scum knew his correct name. Says that Nanook didn’t need to be killed if he could be blocked - a blocked investigator is the same as a vanilla townie.
#2458: Asks peeker whether peeker knows what peeker says he knows - peeker thought he’d die too if ed was killed
#2461: Asks Astral how he’s so sure there’s a godfather at all, and that Sauron would be the role name for taht godfather. Points out differences between Plankton’s fake claim and Natlaw’s.
#2463: In response to Astral, says that Astral is stating that there’s a Sauron as fact and not as an assumption.
#2470: Clarifies that he never argued that Sauron would be town, he’s arguing that Astral seems to already know that not only is Sauron in the game, but that he’s also the godfather.
#2474: Says that it’s not ridiculous to contend that unless the mod says otherwise, Town doesn’t know that the role of Sauron is in the game. It’s a good possibility, but it’s not unheard of for key characters be absent.
#2491: Tells peeker that it’s unfair to other players to expect Mahaloth to give him extra information in a PM.
#2505: Asks peeker what known scum was given a town name, and why scum wouldn’t have killed Aragorn N1 if they knew who he was. Reasoning makes no sense.
#2506: Says that no one else knows that Astral is town but seemingly peeker. States that peeker has perfect info syndrome.
#2509: Jokes back at Astral: quiet you!
#2510: Says it’d be silly for scum to kill an unconfirmed town when there are others who are much more confirmed.
#2521: Says that there’s no other way Chronos chould have gotten his information excep from the moderator.
#2525: Lays out why Natlaw’s claim and Chronos’ claim are in no way comparable
#2532: Challenges peeker’s assertion that his conclusion was in any way accurate
#2534: Didn’t say that peeker claimed a lover role, but that that was peeker’s conclusion.
#2536: Challenges peeker’s assertion that he didn’t claim to have a lover-type role
#2538: Joke post to peeker about “eaten alive” role mechanic
#2587: Clarifies point again: he never insisted that Sauron was not in the game. He’s only stating that town should remain skeptical about roles or characters purported to be in a closed game. Because Astral doesn’t share that skepticism, it’s a scum tell.
#2593: Unvotes Astral, votes peeker.
#2610: Nat probably wasn’t ever on his way to being a confirmed investigator as he’d have been counter-claimed soon after.
#2654: N5 post celebrating crunchy spidery goodness demise. Or maybe Mahaloth’s post about the scream and cracking noises - it’s not clear.
#2657: N5 joke post
#2696: Votes peeker. Posts his PM - claims Gamling.
#2709: Questions peeker’s assertion that USCDiver is undoubtedly town.
#2722: Says that he’d prefer peeker say anything that makes sense logically.
#2729: peeker’s just being flippant by making assertions and not sharing info, then saying that he’s being perfectly clear
#2731: Due to character restrictions, had to cut a few Day and Night links out of his signature
#2754: Asks how we’re supposed to know who Nat tracked or what he found
#2775: The possibility that peeker is town is between a skosh and a tad
#2782: Asks peeker to post his PM. If he gets modkilled and we agree with his conclusions, then we can lynch Chronos.
#2800: Says that sharing info is part of the game. Peeker hasn’t helped us use his extra information, so it’s useless.
#2807: Won’t blindly trust peeker’s conclusions when he won’t share the info that led to them. Conclusions are meaningless if you don’t share evidence behind them.
#2841: Asks whether anyone’s received any items, and does it do anything? He hasn’t received any items.
#2842: In response to Snickers, says he had to look up his role name (Gamling) too.
Huh, never knew there was a character limit on posts. Now I do; good to know. Here’s my analysis:
Things that jump out at me: Well, nothing really. There was some weirdness in the failshake business. Some weirdness in the “Sauron might not be in this game” business. I agree that that position is a stretch, especially given the opening color and my PM, but I also think that it’s prudent to be skeptical. His vote for Natlaw was a bit strange: “someone’s got to die, and Natlaw’s claim is amateur, so I vote him.” None of this is enough to really bother me.
The problem is, I believe that team scum didn’t know whether Astral was uber scum or not at the time of Natlaw’s claim. If they had known that Astral wasn’t, you’re right: no, they wouldn’t have thrown away two scum for another vanilla one. But I think they didn’t know. And the way Natlaw worded his save, that Astral was a hobbit, I think scum would’ve been more inclined to believe he had high value. Given what we now know, I can’t help but think that there’s no way that Natlaw’s gambit would have worked without scum involvement. I’m not seeing how it’s ridiculous at all.
[quote=“One_And_Only_Wanderers, post:2870, topic:549867”]
I liked it better as “Scum wouldn’t do that”.
I feel even better about my vote with an OMGUS like that.
Guess what? While you have a null tell, it’s still a strong scum tell. The strongest scum tell I see currently in this game. I won’t vote null tells when there are what I feel better options, but a null tell still is a tell. There is a scummy motivation for what you did, and a significant one. Are you really trying to convince us that I’m a better target than you? Because your soundly failing at it. I did nothing two Nights ago as confirmed by Chronos. So you’re going to need a much stronger case than “he’s voting me over a null tell so he must be scum.”
NETA: Besides, this is end game. Everyone has claimed vanilla. We have to start reducing the unconfirmed pool. OMGUS at this point in the game is patently ridiculous. You want me to change my vote, convince me why I should. Because one claimed vanilla is just as useful (useless?) as another claimed vanilla in end game.
Man, I’m at a loss now… I don’t have a great ideas at this point, but I think the idea of narrowing the unconfirmed pool is the only way to go. I re-read **Guiri’s **analysis of **Stickler **and **MHaye’s **analysis of **OAOW **from Yesterday. I think both are valid cases, but this:
is a pretty lame vote. So I’m going to
vote One And Only Wanderers
Hey, cool! That might be the first time anyone has ever done a WoW on me! For what its worth, I think it’s a pretty accurate representation of my posts.
vote One And Only Wanderers
Mainly because peeker fingered him during the magic bag claims. That’s about all I got right now. Lame but at least I’m calling it out as lame.
I apologize for my lack of participation toDay. The transition to working at nights has not left much Mafia time. I’ve done my best, but I’ll admit it hasnt been great. Assuming I’m still alive toMorrow, I have this weekend off and will be much more involved.
I haven’t voted you for OMGUS. I have voted you for going
x is a null tell and then voting me anyway