Well, you know me, I always opt for the safe choices. Leading the lynch against a claimed power role yesterDay, for example: safe as houses!
Damn, I wonder why tel didn’t selfprotect last Night.
Astral is number one on my susupicion list for toDay. Between a suspicious vote that could have been tryig to save a fellow scum and a couple of other posts that pinger me that where I’m pointing. I want to do a reread of him before I vote though. I’ll put somethign together Monday at work and see if I’m still suspicious.
Quoth special ed:
OK, let’s make this as simple as I can: Do you or do you not think that the Scum have a copy of the vanilla PM? Answer that, and we’ll take it from there.
Maybe he did. Maybe scum have a blocker. Since no power roles claimed, it’s a fairly basic scum strategy to block the target you’re going to kill.
The idea that this has escaped the notice of someone as experienced as you strikes me as a bit odd.
But just for shits and giggles:
Could Telcontar self-protect?
can i twirl this another way, as well.
and this is for everyone.
what would lead you to believe that all pms are formatted the same?
Gondolin is probably not the answer you are looking for.
Rivendell probably won’t sit too well, either.
I suppose it depends, there’s really no indication that they are the same person. The true safe bet is that he was from Middle-Earth.
I, however, would not trust anyone who claims to be Glorfindel in this game. I also wouldn’t trust anyone who isn’t me and claims to be Faramir.
My ability to discuss a certain topic which I cannot discuss has nothing to do with my role.
Re-read my exchange with Hoopy
@ Hoopy, for some reason my vote on Special Ed was missing from several vote counts so when Red Skeezix re-voted Suburban it was 6-5, not 6-4. My version of the votes on the two main candidates from Suburban’s claim onwards (spoilered):#881 8-3 Suburban claims
#883 7-4Telcontar unvotes Suburban, votes Special Ed
#884 6-4 Pleonast unvotes Suburban, votes Mhaye
#887 6-5 MHaye votes Special Ed
#897 5-5 Red Skeezix unvotes Suburban
#923 6-5 Red Skeezix re-votes Suburban
#926 5-5 Hoopy Frood unvotes Suburban
#930 4-5 Chipacabra unvotes Suburban
#931 5-5 Gadarene re-votes Suburban
#945 6-5 Peeker votes Suburban
#947 7-5 Special Ed votes Suburban
#954 7-6 Suburban votes Special Ed
#1004 8-6 Pleonast re-votes Suburban
#1005 8-7 Chipacabra votes Special Ed
#1009 9-6 Guiri unvotes Special Ed, votes Suburban
#1019 8-6 Peeker unvotes Suburban, votes Chipa
#1075 9-6 Drain unvotes USCDiver, votes Suburban
#1091 10-6 Inner Stickler votes Suburban
#1097 11-6 One And Only unvotes Astral, votes Suburban
#1131 10-6 One And Only unvotes Suburban, votes Chipacabra
#1138 11-6 Chronos unvotes Special Ed, votes SuburbanI agree with your conclusions, just minor changes:
- Red Skeezix’ unvote put Surburban and Special Ed into a tie for the first time. His new vote put Surburban back into the lead by 1 vote
- Hoopy’s unvote tied them again
- Chipacabra’s unvote put Special Ed into the lead for the first time
- Gadarene’s vote tied them again
- Peeker’s vote put Suburban back into the lead
- Chipacabra’s vote on Special Ed brought Surburban’s lead back down to just 1 vote
I strongly believe that All Vanilla PMs are formatted identically aside from the character name. It’s possible that I am wrong. But I really really really really really think so.
This, of course, has nothing to do with my role.
I am not Glorfindel.
I believe it to be quite likely at this point, yes.
gd, ed where is your role pm again?
frackin long ass thread. even when you do a search by a particular poster that mother runs over a couple of pages.
god you piss me off at times. i am trying to figure stuff out and you want to be a smart ass.
jeebus.
ok, i am rapidly concluding that the mods are having a run of fun at this time. not gastardly. but shit, i will bitch slap all of you after this is over if what i think is happening is indeed happening.
woot woot.
and where the heck else is everyone else?
game state question for the players:
do you think there are masons in this game? if so, how many?
and for god’s sake don’t chime in with something along the lines of yeh i am one an there are x others.
just a fucking general question to the crowd.
hoop might be able to answer this based on balance and whatnot.
Quoth special ed:
So, then, if Scum have the vanilla PM, what can we say about someone who does not have the vanilla PM?
Quoth Hoopy Frood:
Well, to be more precise, nobody has reliably claimed a power role a power role that’s known to be active. And of course the Scum could have chosen to use their kill and powers (if any) on separate people, to maximize the chance of hitting (say) the Detective. The whole handshake business probably thinned out the unknown pool enough for the Scum to figure they have pretty good odds, that way.
On purely meta grounds, I would be disinclined to think that there would be half-masons like myself and full masons in the same game. Other half-masons, though, might be plausible. And I realize that this carries very little weight with anyone other than me, since I’m not confirmed.
It’s in my inbox
You know, that’s the kind of answer you’d give. Only you wouldn’t say it in asuch a straightforward manner.
I might do it more like this:
ya know, when edkid#3 was 4 years old, she tried to teach her rodent[sup]1[/sup] to get the mail. it was funny until the hairball shit on my paycheck. i still cahsed that fucker though, fcs i couldnt throw away 57 bucks.
But let me just tell you that in posy 967, I stated theat I was not Glorfindel, and was, in fact, Faramir. I posted the actual role PM without my name at all in post 746.
And, don’t you find it ironic that you are complaining about having to sift through all the garbage posts in the game when you have so many that are not game related and/or basically just complaints about other people’s play?
I understand your point, and this is where we differ in our playstyles.
Yes, I think it’s quite likely that they have it, but…and this is where I lose you, I’m not going to assume that they did. Hell, by that point, hadn’t I already posted my Vanilla PM? So, in theory, didn’t everyone have a copy of it? So, a Scum who may have had access to the Vanilla PM might not have gone to check on it exactly, and might slip. I mean, look at how Suburban messed up even with a basic format handed to him.
Your assumptions are:
- That is something is likely, then I will act as if it is true and ignore the fact that I could be wrong.
- Scum will always act correctly and use all information available to them.
I know that just because I think something is true doesn’t mean that it actually is. I also know that Scum mess up from time to time and do things even when they should have known better
The fact that I’m really really really really really confident that there is but 1 Vanilla Role PM leads me to believe that no one who is questioning that repeatedly is themselves Vanilla.
Do you expect any real masons to come out and say no?
So, I suppose Scum could try to figure out who they are by looking at the people who imply that they think it likely or possible.
Of course, having lots of people say no, might make it easier for Scum to try to pull a Ragnarok. You were Scum in that game, right/
PS I had a dangling footnote in a previous message. Here is the reference:
1 - rodent=gerbil
Or Town could have a roleblocker and Telcontar may have been killed by a Vig, SK or, based on the color in the reveal, he may even have died for some other reason (protecting the wrong player, for example) and wasn’t “killed” at all:
Based on an initial review of Telcontar’s posts:
- he seemed unable to make head or tail of the handshaking attempts (even his own)
- he made the initial case on Suburban (apart from Chronos’ earlier vote for lack of participation)
- he was the first to unvote Suburban after the claim and strongly suggested we let Suburban live through the Night - that could be interpreted as an attempt to save a scum buddy
- he expressed suspicions of Astral, Gadarene and Peeker and left his vote on Special Ed
(WoW spoilered):#201 Doesn’t like idea of name claim, assumes scum have cover roles, doesn’t understand handshake attempts
#202 Quotes all posts relating to handshaking without comment
#206 Suggests using the SAHM phrase, gives letter count
#213 After query from Gadarene, gives new letter count
#215 Fluff
#227 To Hoopy, only has one mention of SAHM in role PM
#239 Unsure whether to continue handshaking attempts, asks Special Ed to explain what he meant by “last section”
#453 Questions Special Ed about motivations for attempt
#500 Thinks Chronos should share character’s name
#578 Suggests that scum can’t Day talk due to the Night 0, makes first case against Suburban (ignoring Chronos’ earlier vote for non-participation) for smudging numerous players without voting, makes Ed is being Ed, Peeker is being Peeker comment
#619 To Suburban, defends earlier comment re: Ed and Peeker
#657 Chronos should share name, claims his name matches alignment
#709 To Pleo and Suburban, defends name/alignment suggestion, will know more by Day 3 (after 4 deaths) no risk but possibly info, has a ping from Gadarene, will re-read Tomorrow
#728 To Pleo, wouldn’t lynch a name/alignment which didn’t match canon, defends “4 dead” comment to Peeker, 1 lynch plus 1 Night Kill
#729 Also finds Astral’s play questionable, wants to reread Tomorrow
#731 To Chronos, adds possible evil motive if he’s got a Day power or other wincon
#749 Questions Special Ed’s decision to share PM
#755 Plea to non-voters
#769 To Suburban, is the scummiest, should attempt to make a case against another player, is concerned about lurkers - suggests a roll call, worries about scum having a vanilla PM and the possibility of Special Ed making a scum ploy to gain Town cred while finding power roles - “I’m very far from voting for him”
#857 “Was planning to post worries about Special Ed at the end of the Day”, would place a second vote on Special Ed if possible, mentions SAHM sentence from PM, chides Peeker for asking Mod if all vanilla PMs are the same and if scum are aware of that
#861 Responds to Peeker quoting correct post “Think before you post”
#883 Is first to unvote Suburban, votes Special Ed, we should wait to kill Suburban, “never saw a reason to kill him Today”
#898 Thinks Pleo’s case based on SAHM is weak, explains previous comment about “Today” or “later”
#961 Accuses Special Ed of magic bagging, “if you weren’t swinging already, you’d probably swing for that” (Special Ed was one vote behind at the time), reaffirms that he wants to let Suburban live for a night, doesn’t trust Peeker or Gadarene
#998 Refers Hoopy back to his post with the case against Special Ed, doesn’t understand why Suburban’s fake PM would be so bad if they actually have “cover roles and vanilla PMs”
#1049 Is corrected by Hoopy, actually meant “cover names”, Suburban should have modified the vanilla PM, should let him live for one Night, case against Ed stands
#1115 Thinks everyone’s nuts for lynching a claimed cop, hopes Suburban flips scum, complains about clutter, thinks Surburban could be Town with a non-standard PM
#1117 Thinks “Servants of Darkness” could refer to SAHM or a 3rd party