OK, I think Telcontar’s death seems to have confirmed what I was afraid of: There really is only one vanilla PM role format. Telcontar’s didn’t match up because he wasn’t vanilla, scum noticed, scum night killed him.
So, yeah. I still think Ed successfully flushed out power roles for the scum to kill.
Special Ed
ok, fuck it i quit.
maha sub me out.
Bah.
VOTE Special Ed
Use the preview button, Chip…
Vote: Astral
for the case against me that was basically filled with factual and logical errors in what I think was an attempt to save a Scumbuddy.
peeker, I sincerely hope that you’re not asking to sub out just because one person is annoying you. If nothing else, you need to consider the possibility that that one person is deliberately annoying you as part of a Scum ploy. Or, in the (I think unlikely) event that ed is Town, he might be annoying you as a side effect of him thinking that you might be Scum.
special ed, I don’t think that just because something is likely, it must be true. But if I think something is likely, I certainly won’t base a vote entirely on the assumption that that something is wrong.
Yes. He was a pretty standard “protector”.
No.
**Vote Count:
AstralRejection(2): Redskeezix, Specialed
SpecialEd(2): Chronos, Chipacabra
Chipacabra(2): Hoopy, Gadarene
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First off, peeker, take a few deep breaths. You’re going all old-school Meeko in this game. Second, while I still don’t understand the Glorfindel thing, and think it’s an attempt at breadcrumbing whatever Magic Bag he’s got (although my attempt at figuring it out through Wikipedia was fruitless), it was my misunderstanding of ed’s post that led me to believe he was claiming two separate names. I think ed is being plenty weird in this game, mind you, but that one was mostly my fault. A combination of me reading quickly because I wanted to go to bed and there were nearly 200 new posts since the last time I read, and misunderstanding what he said because I’m only familiar with the canon from the movies.
Upon reading the beginning of the Day, I see that Hoopy Frood noticed the one thing that jumped out at me, which was Oredigger seeming mighty certain about the fact that Telcontar was not self-protecting–something which required a series of assumptions that most of us wouldn’t necessarily know about. Scum Roleblockers are not unheard of, or perhaps (although we know this to be untrue now, we didn’t then) he couldn’t self-protect for whatever reason. But no, Oredigger jumps in with the assumption that Telcontar was not self-protecting.
I’m going to work on a WoW of Oredigger to see if there’s anything else there. I don’t know if this is particularly enough to base a vote on, but it’s mighty suspicious.
I’m not attempting to be confusing. I’m also certain that everyone understands that I am not Glorfindel and that I am Faramir.
I do not possess a magic bag as I am not holding any information that I can give to anyone.
It is not an attempt at breadcrumbing anything.
Why would I claim 2 different names when obviously I only have 1 role.
I thought Hoopy was close to figuring it out.
[oog]
As for canon, Glorfindel was a Noldorian Elf who came back to middle earth and was killed by a Balrog at the fall of Gondolin. All of this happened thousands of years before the War of the Ring.
Then, oddly enough, he was also an Elf in Rivendell. In the book, he was the one who came to the rescue of Frodo and stopped the witch king and other wraiths by causing the flood of horses. The movie depicted Arwen doing that probably to not have to introduce a new character.
Tolkien probably erred in using the name twice. Elves were not named for other elves. So, either Glorfindel was resurrected or Tolkien mistakenly used the same name for 2 different characters.[/oog]
Snipped.
For the record:
Having to wade knee-deep, up-thread, is a fate I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
I “get” it now.
But, I wonder if anyone can pull out anything productive from the peeker spam casserole. I wonder if the damage isn’t already done for this game.
First off, Oredigger is one of our lower-volume posters. I was surprised to see that I got only 11 results, and two came before his confirm post.
I’ll start with that one, because it has content. I’m going to quote whole posts here whenever possible, so I’ll put the whole shebang behind spoiler tags.
643
This is the first one that’s too long to quote. He says he’s back and can finally catch up, and focuses on SP and Astral. Says that SP calling Chronos’ role lame is a smudge. He then highlights an interaction between SP and Astral that he says makes them both look scummy–Astral for alerting the Scum that Pleo says has a power role (which seems weak–Pleo did a fine job of that himself) or smudging Pleo for lying (to which I guess I’d say if someone was lying, it’s not a smudge), and SP for using anything Pleo did to determine whether to believe Chronos. He also points out that SP is very wishy-washy regarding Chronos. Then he asks Astral about the vote/unvote for Diver. Finally, he votes SP, because of his vote for peeker after smudging Chronos, but reserves the right to change to Astral.
653 A response to Astral here.
758
Too lazy to C&P this. He’s traveling and can’t spellcheck.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12821923&postcount=12171217
A little break here for my commentary. I’m curious as to what he thought was off, seeing as he never said he thought anything was off until now, and was voting for the dead Scum!
1302
God, I hope that coding worked.
On the first hand, Oredigger has a point in the Town column for having one vote on Scum and keeping it there, but on the other hand there’s some strange stuff there. First off, while he has excuses, he’s lurking like crazy–very few of his posts had actual content in them. Really, the only post that had more than a couple of sentences in it was the one in which he placed his vote. Then there’s the issue of the first couple posts of the Day. The “something odd” post really doesn’t sit right with me. It doesn’t make sense for someone who made an early case against Scum and ended the Day voting for said Scum to make that post. And then there’s the potential PIS issue of who killed Telcontar and how.
Okay, changing trains of thought. I’m a little less feeling the special ed case, because I thought toward the end of the Day that he was actually trying to get himself lynched instead of SP, and the fact that SP came up as vanilla Scum has slowed down that particular train of thought for me. The other strangeness came up with Chipacabra late in the Day, and I’d like to revisit that before I place a vote, as I’m still on the fence regarding Oredigger.
[oog] Tolkien retconned Glorfindel, due to his goof (he was terribly disorganized). Elves were rebodied in Valinar, but Glorfindel was sent back to Middle earth so that he could appear in The Lord of the Rings.[/oog]
I think what ed is trying to say is that he got a second pm by accident, namely Denethor (i’m guessing based on the timing of his magic bag). In the past (Harry Potter), Mahaloth didn’t put the names of the rest of the scum team, or the masons for that matter in their respective PMs. This means that it is possible that as soon as Suburban claimed Denethor, that Ed knew SP was scum. The glorfindel reference is to say that the mod made a goof just like tolkien made a goof (Ie two characters with the same name, two players got the same role pm by accident).
Okay, so that coding was close enough for government work. It’s a good thing I work for the government.
I’ve always liked how you think, Red.
Unfortunately, I’m expressly forbidden from telling you the information that I have.
For the record, I will tell you 2 things.
I can see that now…but if ed believes that the Scum have at least one copy of the vanilla PM (and at the very least, without going back and checking, I’m almost certain that ed’s was out by then), why would SP have claimed Denethor? Wouldn’t it have been better to claim a character name from the Fellowship who may have been a power role, but claim vanilla, hoping to draw out the true role? Or, you know, pick a random role name and cross his fingers and pray? Heck, claiming Denethor as a non-exclusive Cop meant that he wasn’t even going to get a real Cop, if there is one, to counterclaim.
I am confused. The pieces aren’t quite fitting here.
The entire fact that Digger asked this, before Frood’s question was asked (by anyone) is kinda pingy.
Peeker is kinda pingy.
But, it would seem in a game that has gone to far, to fast, to soon…
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Vote Ed**
I question the logic of a hand shake now. If we could ever have had one.
At best, you are a pro-town scum MVP.
That being said, I feel Ed is a good first vote in the “Vote soon, vote often” school of thought.
Ed: What parts of your failed handshake would you have kept, what parts would you have gotten rid of, knowing what you know now?
Peeker With all due respect, what can we as players do to get you to tone it down, volume and temper wise?
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Digger** Planting seeds are we? going to sew a Telcontar tree later, but only after some misdirection?
In a seperate post, because I believe it deserves it’s own post. It’s shouldn’t get lost among my other stuff ::
Pleonast : Comments observations and thoughts on last night? A PM or two perhaps?
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Everyone Else** : In general, can the cannon support two doctor types?
underlining added.
Please explain the underlined part.
Well, I would have done none of it.
I’m curious though, since you claimed to be entirely confused by the attempted handshaking while it was occurring, what makes you think it was Scummy? Or is this a case of voting for things that you don’t understand?
It would have to be a very large cannon or two very small doctors
There were a few characters who had healing powers in the game. Legoloas was not one of them. Aragorn is the one that instantly comes to mind. Elrond would run a close second. Arwen is also potentially possible especially if you consider the movies as your source.