Not for all of them. The questions I choose not to answer, I don’t believe that answering would be useful for town.
ARGH. I did not say that Ed is scum because he put Denethor and Palantir together. I said that if Ed is scum, putting those together is suspicious for SP! I ALREADY COVERED THAT. If you’re going to mislynch me, do it for a fuckup I actually made.
Go back and read carefully. I didn’t say I thought there were multiple VT PMs. I said I hoped there were multiple VT PMs. Very different. I hoped there were multiple VT PMs, because that was the only chance that Ed didn’t out at least one power role.
And, yeah, swapping words. It’s some kind of aphasia or something. I do it. A lot. To the extent that I’m slightly worried I’ve got some kind of brain damage from early childhood or something. I’m usually carefully to double check and correct it. Sometimes I’m careless. Sometimes I miss it.
Jeebus. If you guys want to find scum, then once I flip town, look at the people accusing me of stuff I didn’t actually do. </omgus>
FWIW, I completely disagree with you(and Hoopy, who has said something similar). Power Role claims, especially detective role claims, should not automatically be a Get Out of Lynch Free card, even for one Day. It gives scum too much leeway to try and get away with things. Each claim needs to be evaluated on it’s own merits, and if it doesn’t hold water, as SPs failed to do, then they should be lynched. This idea that they have to come up with results, and if they don’t we can kill them is a load of crap. Faking results as scum is the easiest thing in the world to do. I did it when I fake claimed Witch in C2, I helped Story do it when he made a scum slip and fake claimed Detective in that game that I’m blanking on the name of. Scum know, for the most part, who is scum and who is Town. Relatedly, the idea that a claimed detective living is a scum tell is also a load of crap, especially if that claim comes on Day 1. Do you really think the scum would shoot at a detective on Night 1? it’s just asking for a no kill night. So the Detective lives. And sometimes goes on living, like Hoopy the detective did in SMB over on Idle.
Here’s the bottom line. SP’s claim stank. It stank on the time, as has been pointed out over and over. Let’s say we followed through on this idea that we shouldn’t lynch a claimed Detective. We lynch someone else, Ed or Peeker or Chip or some other candidate that showed up at the last minute. Odds are it’s Town. And Today SP shows up and names someone or other as Town, or claims to have been roleblocked. Now what? You lynch them for that? Why? What did you expect them to say? Maybe SP lives yet another Day, and the same thing happens. And again. At what point do you say, maybe he’s just lying, we should lynch him. How many Days have passed? What effect has that had on the game? How much information did we lose in the meantime?
I agree with this assessment, but I feel the defense vote from astral is open and shut. If it comes down to a close vote between chip and anyone else, i’ll switch over to chip. But I do feel that Astral is still the scummiest of the lot, so for now my vote stands.
Scratch that. I started to look back at Suburban’s posts in Day 1 to see if he gave any indication of having seen the Vanilla PM and I didn’t find anything of substance about half-way through (when the handshake discussion was most animated). So I abandoned that herculean effort. Now I’m going to dinner, I’ll start my Day 2 read later tonight. Hopefully I’ll get through it before bed.
and there are other reasons, but didn’t story get a lot of his chops by doing this very thing? and you are equally as dangerous of a player as he is. so no, actually the conclusion that i arrive at is more along the lines of: “if you are scum you are VERY good at it”.
Nanook: That kind of short term thinking could have cost town a valuable resource. Here’s how it should have gone down:
SP was a dead man walking from the moment he claimed. If he was telling the truth, scum have to try to kill him before he finds one of them. Knowing this, every Night that SP survives is a nail in his coffin. He gets lynched the moment townies don’t have anyone more suspicious. He throws out a name every Day which the townies file away for later review, but ignore at the time because he can’t be trusted. When SP finally IS killed, then we look at the names he revealed. If he flips scum, we probably ignore the list as noise. If he flips town, we suddenly have a list of confirmed town. End result, SP still dies, but we have a chance at more info. He had to die, he didn’t have to die Day 1.
so you think claiming a power role is a get out of jail free card? don’t bother me because i am something kind of attitude. heepus help me, that makes no sense. we’ve got a dead doc so it doesn’t take fracking einstein to leap to the conclusion that you are either claiming dick or rb (or maybe a vote changer - which i find unlikely). and with only one death last Night if you are an rb the odds are that you hit a killer. and if you are a dick your Days are pretty much numbered so why you want to be close to the vest is really puzzling.
but crud, it is your role so do what you feel best. probably this is more for the folks that think all i do is fluff and don’t post any game related content. frack me in the ear.
The problem with that is if SP were telling the truth, all scum would have to do is roleblock, assuming they have a roleblocker, and after a few days of no results, town will be chomping at the bit to lynch him. Scum don’t need or even always want claimed power roles dead, just incapacitated.
so quick question nook. pleo has already claimed a power. we’ve got a dead doc so unless there are two, which i kind of doubt - but who knows, then that means he is either holding onto something or is full of it, right? should he come forward or play this “not telling, can’t make me” type of line?
wouldn’t it make sense to come forward with information and at best let town know. and at even better force some type of counter from scum. i mean at this point one for one seems to be townie loaded.
and i have to agree with chippy on this one is. if all scum is doing is blocking the dick then they are merely culling the unconfirmed pool, which they need to survive. and for town to know that scum have an rb is kind of like nice info to have. and in this specific game we had a self protecting doc. so in the absence of a blow through killer that folk would be alive as well as the dick. so yeh, lynching scum on Day 1 is major cool, the strategy behind it in this specific instance was a little less than optimal even though the results were ideal.
I don’t agree with what Pleo did. If I were in his shoes I never would have made that sort of half assed pseudo claim. But what’s done is done, and I’ve had that discussion with him before. Now that it’s made? I can’t say whether he should come clean or not. What if he’s a Scotman type? Definately shouldn’t full claim. What if he’s a Detective? Ditto, since the longer the scum leave him alive the more information he gathers. There’s just too many possible roles for me to say what the correct move is now that the half claim is out there.
Anyway, yeah. I’m not arguing with the results. Lynching a scum? Awesome. But it’s also awesome when I push all in with 2-7 and flop four of a kind. Doesn’t mean it was the right play. Keeping him alive probably would have ended us up in exactly the same place, but COULD have ended up with us having valuable knowledge.
But it doesn’t seem like, as a group, we’re super big on thinking out all the possibilities.
Chip, I find it funny you’re accusing me of short term thinking when you’re advocating reflexive, unthinking unvotes of detective claims. Especially accusing ME of short term thinking. I think long term, always, probably longer term than most people do. I once voted a fellow mason because I felt his actions, if followed through on and accepted, would have a negative effect on Mafia as a whole. I think your reflexive unvote stance is more damaging to Mafia the game than a Detective being mislynched once or twice, or at least more damaging to Town in general. Story led Town around by their NOSE for Days because of that type of attitude. And if an actual Detective gets lynched? So be it. They will learn not to make a terrible claim. Or the mod will learn to be more careful when creating role PMs.
Mahaloth didn’t tell me I couldn’t share that there was something I couldn’t share. Yes, it pushes the boundaries,but at least I’m not modkilled yet. Of course, I’m posting as I catch up, so maybe I was.
