Mac people irritate me

The BBQ Pit
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LOL, good points. Yes, as I stated in my post, it HAS been at least three years since I’ve used anything on a 'puter with Linux.

The office type programs (one word type one, and one spreadsheet one) that I sampled at that time were very dull in color and in features that could be used. It, as someone else has pointed out, practically required a degree to do the simplest thing.

So, not “interesting” as in a good book and curling up by a fire interesting, but interesting as in Lotus 1,2,3 compared to Excel 2000 interesting, if that makes sense. :smiley:

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Really?

And then we have our friend Memory Leak who told me that there’s never been a documented instance of a Mac crashing (then what the fuck was that little bomb on my first work computer that caused me to get a new laptop? Sure as hell looked like a crash to me.) Memory Leak also insinuated that the problems I was having with my Mac had to do with me forgetting to turn it on.

Are we reading the same thread? I mean, yes, we’ve had Mac people come in and be nice and understanding, but we’ve also had people like the above. And if I’ve been whooshed by Daisy Cutter’s post, someone let me know, because I certainly hope it’s not for real.

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Well, your post was pretty idiotic and insulting.

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Granted, OS9 and previous crashes - and on some machines frequently.

But OSX is amazingly, alarmingly stable. I don’t think my system has ever crashed in the year I’ve been using it. Apps sometimes quit, but they never bring it down (“protected memory” I think it’s called).

I’m not sure if the little bomb icon even appears with OSX. Anyone?

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Here’s the perspective from someone who works on the inside, and can give you a little information on how Apple behaves with its OEMs. We had to port our drivers and software for the Matrox RTMac realtime video editing card to OS X. (I’ve been the tech writer for the RTMac project since its inception, even though I’m a PC person. Unfortunately, the card is no longer much more than an analog I/O and VGA out, what with FCP 4.)

Now, OS X came out long before our OS X drivers did. In fact, our drivers are still being open beta tested. For two years, the RTMac user forums were filled with bitching, tantrums, taunts, general stupidity, and - I shit you not - threats of class-action lawsuits because our drivers weren’t ready. The usual argument was this: “Adobe has ported Photoshop and Illustrator to OS X! They did it in {whatever} months! WHY CAN’T MATROX GIVE US DRIVERS? GIVE US DRIVERS!”

To which one of our gentle moderators would respond to the effect of, “OS X is based on an entirely different kernel than previous versions of Mac OS. Porting software is far easier than our task, because we have to completely re-write our hardware drivers from the ground up before we can even begin to port our software.”

To which one of the MacCult would reply: “See? Even Quark is out before RTMac! What’s wrong with you, Matrox? You suck! WHERE ARE THE DRIVERS? CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT! WHO’S WITH ME?!?!??”

Photoshop. Illustrator. Quark. SOFTWARE.

RTMac. HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE.

Now, these are supposedly video editing professionals. They’d venture into our RT.X (PC) forums and see all of the fantastic things our software can do with Adobe Premiere on an equipped 2+ GHz machine running WinXP.

“GIVE US MORE EFFECTS! PC USERS GET ALL THE FLEX 3D EFFECTS! GIVE US EFFECTS IN FINAL CUT PRO!”

Listen, fuckwit, you wanna know an insider secret? The reason we can give you a shitload of effects in Premiere - including our own proprietary ones, in our plug-in - is because ADOBE FUCKING CO-OPERATES WITH US. It’s in their interest to, because we bundle their software with our PC hardware/software suites.

Apple stopped co-operating with us after RTMac 1.0. One measly 15-minute conference call a week is all Apple gives us now. So of course we’re not going to be able to develop more effects for your glorious G4 or G5 running FCP 4 because APPLE WON’T GIVE US THE SOURCE CODE WE NEED.

An RTMac - using its onboard Flex 3D architecture and G450 chip - fully integrated with FCP 4, including plug-ins with proprietary realtime chroma keys, waveform and vectoscopes, color correction (hardware-driven, so as to take the load off your precious G4 or G5 processor and let you do OTHER THINGS while you edit) - would be pretty fantastic, for well under $1000.

We could have done all that, but Apple wouldn’t let us. We did manage to write a cool realtime 3D motion effect that blew FCP’s out of the water, but there was a bug on Apple’s side, and we wrote a work-around, but it wasn’t that great, and Apple wouldn’t fix their FCP bug.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to document an Apple bug in our Release Notes as if it were our bug. I’ve finally taken to coming out and writing “This is a limitation in Final Cut Pro” or “This is a limitation of Mac OS X.”

The RTMac card is over, kaput, dead, after release 4.0 and a couple of updates. Plans for future Mac products have been scrapped. Why? Because we can’t invest the time and money to develop and support products for a company who won’t co-operate with us in optimizing our third-party hardware and software.

But the users don’t understand that. If it doesn’t work under OS X, it’s crap.

And I don’t think Win2K users of our next RT.X release will whine when told we’re only supporting XP from now on. They’ll just smile, and upgrade, and enjoy blazingly fast realtime editing with more effects and features than you could ever imagine on a software-only video editing system.

If you’re going to think different, don’t forget the think part.

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It’s called sarcasm, Wrong Girl.

The clues (subtle though they be and bolding not in the original):

See, I was making fun of the constant “Macs are easy to use, they just work, they don’t crash, etc, etc, etc.”

Pretty droll, huh?

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Actually, win2k users shouldn’t have much of a problem, since XP and 2k are both based off of NT. 9x and ME users on the other hand, will be screwed, but they’ve always been screwed anyway.

What right is that exactly? I don’t bash macs so often, since I’ve had to use all three platforms (Windows, Mac OS >9 and X, *nix) before. But…, I’d hardly say that a Mac machine is infinitely superior to a PC, or even significantly superior than a PC.

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We stopped supporting Win98 after RT2000, and RT2500 supported Me or Win2K only. Now with the RT.X series, it’s Win2K or XP.

And no one has complained once about upgrading or not using the flavor of Windows they’d like.

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Yes, the person you quote was being snooty and a bit of a jerk about it, and there are a few other people behaving like that in this thread (on both sides of the argument, I might add). And if that’s what you’d accused them of in the post I responded too, it would have made sense, and I wouldn’t have posted such an angry response last night.

However, the point of the OP was Mac users who try to willy-nilly convert Windows users no matter what the situation and how annoying they can be. I agreed, and as did several others, pointed out that it happens both ways. What angered me was your post, where you very specifically accuse Mac users of coming into this thread and continuing to do just what the OP is deservingly deriding them for:

And my point is that no one has come into this thread and done that! The examples you (and others) have given are NOT examples of people demostrating this behavor! Snooty and jerky? Yup, it’s there, from both sides. But the behavior you very specifically accuse people of doing even after the OP has made his point - coming in and trying to “convert” people - doesn’t exist in this thread. And that’s why your post angered me. If you had just said, “You Mac people aren’t helping your argument by being snooty and jerky”, I probably would have agreed with you. But that wasn’t what you said.

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Are we responding to the same post? See my above response to CanvasShoes. I agree that there have been some responses from Mac users that are a bit jerky. But the point is people coming in and exhibiting the behavior brought up in the OP - trying to convert Windows users. If the quote you’ve cited is an example of someone trying to ‘convert’, then they’re doing a piss-poor job of it; insulting others is not a way to convert anyone I’ve ever known.

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Ah, well done, old chap. A fine, and well-thought-out retort. Your wit and rhetoric have me on the run. I will now attempt a comeback over my shoulder on the same intellectual level as yours: “I know you are, but what am I?”

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Well, you shouldn’t judge Linux based on obsolete versions.

After all, how much sense does it make to judge all Microsoft OSes based on a knowledge only of Windows ME?

As I said, a lot has changed. Using KDE and GNOME with OpenOffice.org is now no harder than using MS-Windows with MS-Office, and just about as featureful.

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The problem with Mac is there are so few programs for it. Apple Corporation insists on charging a royalty for every piece of software written to run on the Mac. If Jobs would quit extorting us programmers, more of us would be less reluctant to port our software and Macs would have a fighting chance.

I don’t use Macs and am unfamiliar with them. But I do use PCs, including one that I built from scratch, and they are a royal pain in the ass to configure. Driver issues alone have kept me up late many a night. I’d be glad to dispose of PCs and delegate Windows to the trash can, but if Mac and LINUX are the alternatives then unfortunately it ain’t gonna happen.

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Ha. Hahaha. Haaaaahahahaha. Bwahaahahahaha! Bwaaaaaaaaahaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaha! Nyaha:choke:

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What the hell did I do?

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You don’t play games. :smiley:

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Oddly enough, I use a homebuilt PC, so I DO play games.
Perhaps I should have Lynn put a “k” on the end of my “Mac” so as to avoid being identified as a Mac head.

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No confusion here, although I do believe your username has something to do with a briefcase or shipping box with an angel drawn on it.

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:smiley:

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Yikes, Memory Leak, color me whooshed! I had no clue. No hard feelings?