Mad-Men 3.02, Love Among the Ruins (open spoilers)

So Betty’s father, John McCain, is coming to visit. Anyone wanna bet on if he’ll end up mistaking Sally for his wife/girlfriend like he did Betty last season? Mona’s got her pound of Roger’s flesh and he’s remarrying. And best of all Peggy get’s her own subplot. There’s a sneak peak scene on AMCTV.com. There’s also a game where you can find out which character you are. Apparently I’m Betty Draper. :eek:

I read somewhere (probably Sepinwall’s blog) that Roger’s already divorced and remarried. If so, that was quick, if it’s only been six months between seasons. Mona would have had to go to Reno. Is that how it works? Divorce now, settle property issues later? Or was Roger so desperate that he paid her off without quibbling?

Felt a little slow to me. Unfortunately, this is the first epsiode my sister-in-law decided to watch so I doubt she’ll be too impressed. It wasn’t “bad”, just no real snappy scenes to get hooked in to.

I was inwardly wincing during the Maypole scene waiting for Betty’s father to do something embarassing. I’m really glad they didn’t make every scene with him into “Look at what the senile old guy is doing!”

Kinsey deserves to be beaten with a shoe just on general principle. Dork.

The whole dynamic with the Brits just doesn’t work for me so far. Bert Cooper walking out of the meeting was good times though.

Last week was an extra-snappy episode, so I’m not surprised to see this one a bit slower. I’m enjoying seeing the first hints of trouble in the Sterling/Brits merger, but the ‘business’ side of MM always has hooked me more than it does most fans, I think.

Was there really a ‘conflict’ on the MSG account, or did the Brits just not see it as productive enough?

The end seemed a bit abrupt and enigmatic, but I admit to not paying as much attention as I should’ve been. If I watch it live, I’ve got to have the computer handy to keep me entertained during commercials, and sometimes it’s hard to put the computer away when Don shows up on screen again…

AuntiePam: I got the impression that he paid her off. There was an episode last season showing Roger meeting with his lawyer, and basically telling him to do whatever it took to get the divorce done.

Roger bought Mona off; a Neveda divorce only takes six weeks. They could’ve done it in Guam by mail. Jane is what, 23? And Margaret’s only 18 or 19, isn’t she? It wouldn’t surprise me if Roger can’t even leverage his paying for the wedding on Jane attending (that seems like the kind of thing Mona would put in the settlement).

I didn’t care for Peggy’s singing, but I liked her storyline. She was pretty aggresive for 1963 :smiley: (taking on a naive college boy who brings his mother up). I love how he was ready to give up when she found out he didn’t have a condom and she just suggested “other things”. And he even wanted to go out to breakfast and see her again and she might of well have said “That’s sweet, but I’m done with you now.”

I’m disappointed we didn’t get a resolution to the Patio thing; I thought Peggy would come up with some campaign based on her date (eg I can steal his burgers and fries and still look this with Patio!).

Perhaps Paul Kinsey was being a dork in that scene (and it was definitely unwise to antagonize the client) but he was right. They should not have torn down Penn Station. What was up with Peggy Olson picking up that guy in that bar? Patio is a stupid name for a diet soda.

Not a lot happening, but a good episode overall. I get the impression that Peggy is going to be practicing on these college boys until she gets to where Joan is on the “Object of Desire” status. I admit, I’m watching this a second time in a row tonight- but I didn’t catch the first time Peg noticing Joan with her audience of men, while Peggy is having a hard time getting one man at a time to listen to her. And Betty, although admittedly probably super-hormonal due to pregnancy and what is going on with her father, was a grade A bitch on this episode. Thought it was telling that her brother’s wife did not want to send him to a home either, but was selflessly offering to take care of him.

Our DVR cut off the very end of the episode, right when someone said “Mr. Draper” at the maypole scene. What did we miss?

It’s a real name for diet soda.

A diet soda that AFAIK is not around anymore.

I kept waiting for Peggy to break out with the jingle. “Buy it, patio, try it, patio, diet cola today”

Except that would sound stupid. Almost as stupid as tearing down Penn Station.

Joan is packing on pounds to drive Dr. Rape away. It really does look like a fat suit in some shots.

Peggy’s plot was the most interesting. I like when she’s up to something.

But Joan and Dr Rape are already married (Joan was addressed as Mrs [del]Rape[/del] Harris). It appears he’s allowing her to keep working until July 1st when he becomes Chief Resident and plans on impregnating her.

Anyone else wondering if the British have an ulterior motive in buying Sterling-Cooper? They rejected MSG at the last moment which seems idiotic, but could that just be cultural differences? Could SC just be a tax write-off for them?

I think you’re right, that Peggy was trying to learn Joan’s seduction technique. On the Slate.com discussion of the episode, it was pointed out that Peggy used one of Joan’s lines.

And I also didn’t pick up on the significance of the scheduled wedding date (November 23, 1963). That’s going to have to be rescheduled at the last minute.

I’m looking forward in my sick way to watching Betty’s dad turn their house upside down with his dementia. Last night: prohibition! Cheez-it, the cops, get rid of the illegal hooch! Just the beginning, I’m sure.

I liked the maypole dance and the pretty teacher dancing slow-motion being caressed by Don Draper’s gaze. I’m wondering what if anything it portends - foreshadowing the social changes coming (barefoot hippies with flowers in their hair)?

My wife thought that Don was gonna offer the Maypole dance teacher the Patio commercial job :smiley:

Didn’t happen though.

It’s still around. They just renamed it “Diet Pepsi” a year later and got rid of all their flavors other than cola.

To be clear, the other flavors survived into the mid-70s before being discontinued. Judging by these pictures, it looks like 1976 might have been the last year of production.

Us, too! We set the DVR to record the encore showing of the episode and set the recording to end 3 minutes after the scheduled time to make sure we catch it this time.

Interesting to see Peggy trying to learn some feminine wiles. I wonder if she’s planning to use them in the office, or in her personal life.

Pregnancy is definitely turning Betty into Super-Bitch. She hated her step-mother and now has something against her sister-in-law. Not that she gets along with most other women, but she really can’t seem to stand any woman in a relationship with her male relatives. She’s being foolish to invite her father to move in when she’ll have an infant to take care of soon. She should’ve accepted her sister-in-law’s offer to take care of him. It seems that her entire sense of self rests on perfectly performing the roles of “daughter” and “wife.”

The Weird One, that’s a great explanation for Betty’s behavior. Judy’s idea was the best, and she seems to really care for Gene, and understands even more than Betty what’s going on with him. Watching Betty go back to bed and leave Don to deal with Gene pouring booze down the sink doesn’t bode well.

What’s everyone’s take on Don’s comment to Peggy – “Leave some tools in the toolbox.” ??

Shallow comment: Joan is looking very wide this season, and her breasts are even more shelf-like than last year. But everything looks wider on my son’s TV. Is Joan looking heavier to you guys?

Thanks! :slight_smile:

Definitely. There was one shot in last week’s episode where I thought it was particularly noticeable. I hope they’ll let us in on why.