Not that it matters to the discussion, but didn’t they have sex more than once? The first time was when Pete showed up at Peggy’s apartment, and there was another time in the office, when Don noticed the button missing from Peggy’s blouse, and Pete talked about killing bears for her (or killing something).
I do seem to remember that second encounter, but I’m pretty sure it was after Pete was married. I was responding to the idea that Pete chose Trudy over Peggy, which is simply not true, unless anyone thinks that should have dumped his fiance just in case that girl at the office he drunkenly fucked that one time wanted him.
My grandmother had the left-handedness smacked out of her.
Public school in the Mississippi…probably 1930s.
Yes, they had sex in the office one time after his marriage. I don’t think Pete chose Trudy over Peggy–the wedding to a woman of his own class was already scheduled. Well, Trudy was not as blue-blooded as the Dyckmans–but her father actually had money. Which he earned by working–while Campbell Sr was spending his wife’s capital.
But Pete* did* try to choose Peggy over Trudy, later. Until Peggy convinced him quite efficiently that they were over. She had made the right decision for herself, for the baby–& for Pete. Some people have opined that (1) he was heartbroken over his lost baby or (2) Peggy should have never told him–& let him wallow in his love for her perfection.
Life is tough. Peggy figured it out before Pete, but even he is learning to deal with it.
Pete’s not a victim either. I do think she deserves some admiration for handling that situation in such a way that it did not touch him, because she certainly could have brought ruin on him, but didn’t.
They had sex twice, but in the interim, there was stuff brewing. He definitely did “fall in love with her” not long after that night they fucked, because remember, he acted jealous when he saw her dancing with other men, acted possessive, and generally was behaving like a man with a major crush. But he married Trudy anyway, even though he was pretty sure he wasn’t in love with her. And of course, fucked Peggy again.
I think she was in serious denial about her pregnancy, but don’t you think part of the reason for that denial was the fact that Pete, an unavailable man, was the baby’s father? And, as we’ve seen with Betty, not wanting a baby doesn’t stop people from having them, or using them to manipulate relationships. Peggy definitely could have used that baby to get things out of Pete, but she didn’t. And I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to imagine how he would have reacted. It would have screwed up his life bigtime.
You can see it as spiteful if you like, and I’m sure there was an element of that, but also, maybe she was tired of having the whole thing be just her secret and her problem. He did the fucking too, so it’s half his problem, but he only had to deal with a small sliver of it. I can’t judge her for blurting it out in the face of his clumsy, ill-conceived confession of love. Why should she just give him a simple “No, I don’t love you”? Why does she owe it to him to take this secret to the grave? I just don’t see it.
When you fuck someone without protection, you ought to be prepared to share in the outcome, no? Should Pete have been able to walk away from that scott free when she had so much bullshit to deal with it, and then mawkishly declare love from the safety of his marriage and social status? I totally disagree that she has no right to ask him to share it now. I guess we’ll have to agree to differ on it. She kept her mouth shut when it counted, and I don’t see any reason why he should remain in blissful ignorance forever.
Was it the March on Washington? Sally is still in school (they celebrated May Day a few episodes ago) and her teacher mentioned something about summer coming up.
It must have been something else on TV then – maybe a demonstration relating to Medgar Evers (assassinated on June 12).
I didn’t realize Sally’s teacher was the same woman who was in the May Day dance. Looks like you guys who speculated about Don being attracted to her then were on to something.
I like to think that Pete’s suggestion of an integrated commercial for Admiral televisions was a dream of a nation wherein people will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their wallets. (Apologies to Dr. King.)
Ack! I meant Joan! Which would have been a sly joke referencing her table-setting etiquette skills. Alas, it became a mere whacky recipe for disaster.
For some reason, when the Sing Sing prison guard was talking about “second chances” and “being a better man” I thought maybe he beat his wife. He talked about having “power” at the jail, and that the prisoners know it. Maybe I’m out in left field, but that’s the vibe I got.
I noticed Betty writing left-handed too. I remember my mother having to tell the teachers to back off my sister, because she was left-handed, and this was back in the early-mid 70s and they were not to try to switch her. My husband was born left-handed, but his father forced him to be right-handed because he thought being left-handed meant you’d have too much difficulty dealing in life. :rolleyes:
I didn’t know they knocked mothers completely out during labor. I’d heard of shaving and the enema (ick) but when I had both my kids I had neither of those.
As for Peggy, I don’t think she begrudges Don his success. She just wants the opportunity to achieve the success herself. Duck was confusing…he lost the presidency of Sterling-Cooper because of one little rant in front of the English? I can’t imagine him taking less than an executive position at Grey, so maybe he can get Peggy and Pete over.
I guess Don is very sure of himself at work…he comes in late to the meeting, realizes it’s just a nit-picky number crunchers meeting, and gets right back out again. I bet if Pete had asked, Don could have come up with some way to persuade Admiral to advertise more to blacks.
I remember when I was in 7th grade (in 1981) that my friend’s mom was going to Lamaze classes. I asked my mom if she’d have considered it if she’d had the chance. I didn’t realize that she was totally knocked out during all her labors until that discussion. Yeah, I guess there’s pros to it, but what a horrible thing. To be treated like you’re an annoyance and an obstacle during the birth of your children, something so personal and intimate. I felt really bad for my mom.
I think Duck got fired because he showed lack of control and discretion. I bet he got a glowing review to Grey so they could get rid of him.
We thought the same thing, esp. when he said of the inmates, “They fear me because they know I’m powerful ,” and when Don asked how they knew, Dennis just looked at him. The implication was that he busted heads. Then he said, “I’ll have to try really hard not to bring it home with me… especially with a kid in the house.” What else could that mean?
From what I’ve read about twilight sleep, you’re not actually knocked out. You are just unable to remember what happened. I’ve heard stories about women freaking out, going nuts, screaming and cursing at the doctors due to lowered inhibitions, and having to be strapped down during twilight sleep. Apparently you can also experience pain but you just can’t remember it; Betty wasn’t actually unconscious in her scenes, she was just dissociated from reality. It seems like a pretty awful way to experience the birth of your child.
He lost it because he set up the merger with the (presumably successful) Sterling Cooper, said he was going to completely change their business model, tried to pull a dong-waving power play on SC’s most valuable employee, bungled it completely because of something as stupid as not realizing that Don wasn’t under contract so Duck’s threats were meaningless and then tried to convince everyone that Don wasn’t important anyway.
Oh, and the Brits were of the opinion that Duck was an unreliable alcoholic. When they dismissed him from the room, the one mentions that Duck never could handle his liquor. Don’t forget that Duck came from the British market and the implication was there towards the end that he didn’t do that great a job overseas. So I’m sure they didn’t have much of an opinion of him going into it and whatever credibility he was building up until then was blown.
It’s weird thinking that nearlly every woman of the era who gave birth in a hospital was subjected to that. My grandmother, possibly my mother for her first (in 1972), Queen Elizabeth II.
BTW, do we know what happened to the credenza that Lane mentioned in his meeting as being missing? It seems like too big a thing to steal.
I dunno, but I’d check Kinsey’s apartment. Didn’t he steal a typewriter?
Are Draper, Sterling, and Cooper still partners (with the Brits owning like 51% of Sterling-Cooper) or are they just mere employees?
I’ve been thinking about this Duck thing now. At first, it seemed just good old Duck screwing up. How could he possibly think that having Pete and Peggy together for a recruiting meal was a good idea? Unless …
That was the plan. Duck is royally cheesed at SC and wants his revenge. So he goes to work on two “special” employees. Pete because Duck presumably knows he’s unstable and Peggy maybe likewise or because he knows her position is unique.
He has no interest in hiring them. He wanted the meal to end abrubtly. He wants them to go back to SC and start causing problems.
Throw in a couple odd things. Like hinting that Pete and Peggy have a special relationship. Asking about the other guy that went nuts. It starts to make sense.
January Jones was in a small movie called Swedish Auto the other night. Even though I recorded it just to she her performance see was hard to recognize. I kept thinking it was really the actress from “Grey’s Anatomy” that plays the little sister. Interesting. They don’t seem to be airing it again soon so if you didn’t catch it …
Don would have thought to pitch an ad to the black demo not proposing an intergrated one. Admiral already was paying SC to do the ads, all they needed was to give the go ahead/extra capital to pay for black versions of those same ads.
Well, when Campbell first proposed placing ads in black media (Jet, Ebony, etc), the immediate response from Admiral was a skeptical “You’re trying to double the number of ads we pay you for?”
Maybe Don could have sold that better.