Mad-Men: 5.04 "Signal 30" (open spoilers)

Perhaps it’s that he’s the father of her child. Her sister is raising him.

Pete is stuck between two eras, he grew up and in the testosterone fueled era that Don and Roger find themselves so comfortable in, but he also has somewhat more progressive sensibilities about certain things. So on the one hand he could care less about someone’s race or religion when it comes to business, he tolerates drinking at work but isn’t really a fan of the two martini lunch. On the other hand he longs for the kind of carefree-ness that in his mind he imagines Don has. For folks like Don and Roger they can meld their business a pleasure almost seamlessly (Don has literally done it), but Pete can’t, they are at odds.

Pete Campbell is the father of Peggy’s child, not Cosgrove

Cosgrove said to Peggy, “If I go somewhere else, you’re going with me.” That must be the pact, right? Don’t remember when it came about.

I took that into account, assuming Pete’s at least 27. All I’m saying is I thought Pete was fantasizing about HS girls. In the show’s universe, no one else would know, and Pete would go on. As it’s a show, it could be used to show us one more step in the decline of Pete Campbell. But since he didn’t get the girl, it’s not so bad. As it wasn’t a fantasy, but was a real driver’s ed class, it served the same purpose: he hit on a HS girl and failed when “Handsome” showed up.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but from a TV audience POV, I don’t think it’s so bad to show an adult character like Pete fantasizing about talking a HS girl into a date…because the end result is he failed in his attempt, so it’s not like he’s even fantasizing about being a pedophile–he could be missing his youth, knowing that while he’s growing up with more responsibility (wife, kids, house in the suburbs, you know, the American Dream), there’s a part of him that doesn’t want to grow up. Or conversely, a part of him that can assert his manhood to a younger, more naive person. Sort of like he did with the hooker, only with a HS girl, she’d be more genuinely impressed with his money, power and stature, rather than a hooker, who’s paid to be impressed.

My bottom line is I was glad it wasn’t a dream or fantasy, because I thought that would’ve been weak.

Huh? Pete is the father of Peggy’s child, not (Ken) Cosgrove.

…Huh?

Also, Peggy’s sister is not raising her child. The child was placed for outside adoption.

I don’t dislike Megan as much as everyone else seems to. In fact I think she’s quite intelligent and capable. But they clearly have generational differences which will unravel the marriage eventually. And despite his best efforts, I don’t see Don staying faithful to her. Megan won’t put up with infidelity as long as Betty did.

The thing I think we’re all looking forward to is what event will be big enough to trigger Don to fall back into old patterns.

Meaghan cheating or the destruction of S.C.D.P?

There was a line in there during the car park scene, where Megan uttered something about not being able to have a baby. It was glossed over by Don as “I don’t want to have a kid right now,” but I think it literally meant that Megan cannot have kids and she knows this.

I don’t remember the pact prior to this episode and assumed it must have been a “between calendar pages” event when SCDP was floundering between last season and this one. If one got an in with a new firm, they’d try to bring along the others.

I got the same vibe. From what I remember, Don said “Let’s make a baby” and Megan said “That’s impossible” (with a bit of an eyeroll).

The chewing gum on the pubis – anyone else remember a movie or TV show where something similar happened ? I do, but I can’t place it.

So, Pete never learning to drive – that means he’s never made out in a car. That explains a lot.

The girl is talking about what college she’ll be attending, making Pete far from a pedophile. She may not be 18 but there are fewer years between them than Don & Megan.

I took it to mean “I do not want to have children at this time, and you know this very well.”

Maybe she’s just on the pill.

I don’t know why, but I was absolutely fuming during the scene when Cynthia was spilling the beans about Ken’s writing on the side.

In my mind, I was screaming at the TV, “Shut up! Shut up! You stupid fucking c**ting moron! You’re going to fuck it all up!”

What the fuck was wrong with her? Ken had obviously told her not to talk about it, but she just charged right ahead. What the fuck was going through her head?

I know! Wasn’t theirs the only issue-free marriage on the show? --if only for lack of screen time, I guess.

I don’t know about issue-free, but the marriage seems not to be idiot-free, that’s for sure.

She was so geared up to brag about Ken that she just couldn’t help herself and came this close to ending his writing career. Fuck, I wanted to slap my hand over her mouth and throw her out of the room.

I missed the beginning of the episode. Are we shown Ken asking her not to talk about his writing? Anyway I can forgive the mistake. It was clearly made because she loves his writing so much and thinks everyone in the world should know her husband is a genius. Her enthusiam got the better of her and there are worse things. One thing I do wish is that Ken had responded to Roger’s veiled threats the way he did at the end of last season by pointing out how much of the firm’s business he had brought in. Admittedly that might ikely gotten him fired for pissing off Roger. Also she didn’t come close to ending his writing career as all he had to do was adopt a new pen name and not tell anyone at the office. If he sells a best-selling novel he’ll quit anyway as he works at the agency to support himself only. It is not his life or his dream the way it is Roger or Pete’s.