[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
I think you missed the whole point of why I found it suspicious. If he’s telling the truth, getting his reasoning just gives information to the scum. If he’s lying, he already knew he would have to explain it and would have put as much thought into it as if he actually were investigating and thus probably wouldn’t provide any additional information. So, what I want to know is what you expected to hear from him that, A, was going to help you differentiate whether he was town or scum and, B, was going to be worth the risk of providing information about his reasoning for his investigations, if he is the detective, to the scum.
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I’m not good with definitions of logical fallacies, I think this one might be ‘excluded middle’ or something. My point is: when you make the assumptions you have made above, of course it makes me look suspicious. You’ve presented two options: 1. if he’s telling the truth, it benefits scum only; 2. if he’s lying, he’s completely prepared and skilled enough to do it perfectly. See, either choice makes me look bad! Under these assumptions, I admit my request for additional information is not likely to yield anything tasty. But what if your assumptions are wrong? What if he lied and didn’t do it so perfectly? What if he’s busy and threw out a reason that, upon review, didn’t jive with earlier reasons? Scum slip up sometimes, you know, even good players like story - lying and keeping it all straight isn’t easy. On the other side, what if his explanation is reasonable, logical and consistent, and convinces some players who were on the fence about lynching him toDay (and there are some who have advocated this very thing) to focus on other people? Is that not a benefit to the town? It’s simply not as black and white as you make it out to be. (For the record, I buy his explanation of why he investigated Koldanar, and I note that he himself had no issue with answering my question nor did he seem concerned that his answer would help the scum.)
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
And why would you have investigated me? If you’re so suspicious, put your vote where your mouth is and make a straight up case rather than beating around the bush like this. Either way, storyteller may be suspicious of me, or he may not, but it’s hardly reasonable to be think he too must necessarily find me the most suspicious and, thus, must have investigated me. And, even if he did, there’s plenty of reasons why he may decide against it like the fact that I’ve been under scrutiny and may get lynched sooner rather than later anyway.
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I would have investigated you because you’ve driven the lynches of two Townies, and you’re an experienced and effective player. So if you’re scum, I would want to get you out of the game ASAP. I never said storyteller must find you the most suspicious or that he must or should have investigated you. I just said what I would have done if I were Constable, so please don’t put words in my mouth.
And I will vote for you if and when I choose. I’m not beating about the bush - I have very explicitly said toDay that your behavior to date has been anti-town (and why). The jury is still out in my mind whether that is intentional or not.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
The bottom line is, getting involved in a discussion about the detective’s investigation tactics provides almost no useful information for determining his alignment but DOES provide potentially damaging information to the scum. Thus, you may or may not be scum, but this is certainly not in the town’s best interest.
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Says you. See above.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
IOW, I’m giving storyteller enough credit that he either has a reasonable strategy or can feign one reasonably well as scum. The only time I can really see where the risk might be worth it is if he chose a completely illogical target, like someone that is likely to be lynched soon or someone that is mostly confirmed through some other methods. Again, as town, I expect him to be doing his best to avoid those situations, and as scum, I give him enough credit to be able to pick a reasonable target.
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And I’m giving him enough credit that if he thinks answering a question is detrimental to the Town, he will demur and say so.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Considering he’d already expressed some suspicion of him previously, is it really hard to imagine that he might see Koldanar as a reasonable target, given a brief review of his strategy?
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Yes, I think his suspicion of Koldanar was reasonable as he explained it, but when I asked I didn’t remember him being suspicious of Koldanar previously - I can’t keep everyone’s suspicions in my head. This is how it went: Koldanar asked why, story answered, I followed up, story clarified. I didn’t have a grand plan or a major suspicion, but **story’**s initial answer essentially boiled down to “I found you suspicious.” That’s not particularly informative, so I followed up with “why.” End of story (no pun intended).
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Seriously, WTF!? The “you know” construction is indicative of me using the premise to make a logical step. I was making some pretty basic steps, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume you’d know them. Is it that surprising to read them? “OMG, if he’s telling the truth, discussing his strategy provides useful information to scum!” or “OMG, if he’s scum, he’s making it up!” Quite frankly, if you don’t know that, I gave you too much credit.
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No, the “you know” construction is indicative of you applying your own thought processes to other people, and then using that to indict them. You did it with OAOW: “Well, he couldn’t have thought A or B, so that means his motivation must be scummy. QED. Vote.” But as it turns out, he actually might have thought A, or B, or something else that didn’t fit into your formula, since he turned up town.
Here’s the fact: when I asked that question of storyteller, I didn’t have a single thought about whether the answer would benefit scum. There was a vague answer I wanted clarified, so I asked. That’s it. Now, if that makes me stupid, then so be it, I guess you have given me too much credit. Sorry to disappoint.
