DiggitCamara, you want the Masons, if there are any, to out themselves and yet you voted Suburban Plankton for giving us information? This doesn’t sit well with me. You’re suspicious of people that pointed out a grammatical error when it was obvious to everyone? It looks as if you have really made an in depth analysis when really it’s all a load of rubbish. Back to grammar, is Pleo a spring? (That was a joke BTW)
Vote DiggitCamara
Holy crap guys, I’m really sorry I disappeared like that… I just had the craziest week. I should be able to catch up tonight. Sorry, that’s all I got time for at the moment… See ya’ll soon.
Vote Diggit
Masons should not reveal themselves this early unless they have very good reason. Perhaps that exists, since the Barn notes indicate it, but we shouldn’t push for it unless they reveal themselves. I rather assume they’ll explain why if they do.
I agree with almost all of this, except I don’t understand the joke. I voted Diggit yesterDay for his vote on noob Ortho.
vote: DiggitCamara
Diggit, I also disagree with you and think it’s very anti-town play to want the masons to out themselves at this point. It’s WAY too early for that.
I also really don’t like your vote on Suburban…You would have rathered him keep that tidbit to himself? It was a pro-town play IMO to come forward with it.
Vote DiggitCamera
Got a bit of egg on my face on choie’s account. I re-read his/her vote for askthepizzaguy and it turns out I threw him/her into the same pot with Chucara whose vote for did include a comment on “thinking Askthepizzaguy’s town”.
So I’ll
unvote choie
You unvote in red.
Right. Sorry.
Unvote choie
oooookay. So,
You don’t provide reasons why you think it’s anti-town. You also seem to be implying that the mason somehow is also anti-town.
Care to explain your reasoning?
On the other hand: how is Suburban Plankton’s reveal a Pro-Town move? My belief that it’s anti-town stems from:
Again: Why do you believe its’s a very pro-town play?
I’m having a hard time even conceptualizing a reason why Masons should reveal themselves at all at this stage. Any fake Mason claim by scum is a boon to town at this point. The only exception I can consider is the case where there is a two player Mason group and one of them is concerned about being night killed leaving the other unconformed. Hopefully using the Barn messages will mitigate this risk to some degree.
i’m sorry for being away. my laptop crashed and it looks like it’s done. i’m using a tablet now. it’s a bit challenging to use but it will have to do. will catch up now.
Thanks for the unvote, DiggitCamara. It’s easy to get your “Ch” names mixed up. I’m glad I’m not going crazy, I really was pretty certain I hadn’t expressed any certainty about Pizza, except that he intimidates me and I fear that sort of person could have too much influence. Which in fairness, was probably not a very good reason to vote against him, because not everyone’s as big a wuss as I am. Then again: it was D1. There were “pancakes” floating around as rationales for votes, so hell, my reasoning was practicaly Socratic, comparatively speaking.
Wellll I’m not one of the people who’s expressed an idea either way on whether it was definitely a Mason; it certainly seems to imply a Mason, but anyone who’s read Little Red Riding Hood knows Wolves can put on pretty convincing acts.
I’m just going to think this through out loud. I genuinely have no opinion either way yet, except a sort of gut instinct that says roles should stay quiet this early in the game.
Okay, let’s see. So let’s say Player1–without giving away any identity, and apparently knowing that Masons can’t communicate with one another (is that typical, btw? Never played a game w/ a Mason or Lovers, I don’t think)–has now posted this message in the Barn to some anonymous player who says s/he’s a Mason.
Player2 posts that yes, hi, I’m a Mason. Is that you, my brother? Secret Handshake?
Ah, but wait! Player1 now says: Wait a second, no you’re no brother of mine! You’re scum! I happen to know that Player3 is my fellow Mason!
Player2: Fie on you, Scum! For it’s I and Player4 who are the Masons in this game!
Player4: Damn straight. Player2 and Player3 are obviously Scum! Lynch the bastards!
Player2 and Player3: No, you are! Lynch them!
Thus: four people all claiming to be Masons. How do we decide who’s real and who isn’t? Seems to me we’ve now got four people we’re afraid to lynch. Two scum have just innoculated themselves against lynching.
On the other hand… All it takes is one lynch of a true or false Mason to out the true Scum pair.
(Except… what if there are no Masons in the game? This could be a whole playlet put on by four Scum, with all of them privately agreeing to sacrifice two Scum in order to save two others permanently.)
I’m not sure which idea is more likely, to be honest. I’m just putting it out there as I see it. Is my logic flawed (as usual)?
This one I can go either way with too. I have to agree that it seems as if it would’ve been smarter to wait on the reveal, because it’s easier for a [del]blockee[/del] protected person to verify a player who claims doctor after the claim, than the other way around. In other words, it’s no proof of anything that Suburban was saved; a Doctor could’ve just picked someone at random. But if a Doctor had claimed first, and then claimed to have protected Suburban, then Suburban would’ve been in the position to verify this claim.
So I dunno if it’s very pro-Town for Suburban to have revealed this. But it could’ve just been a genuine desire to share information, which is at least in the pro-Town direction.
Yeah in short I’ve got nothing. Bear in mind I’ve been up for 24 hours now working on a web project so I’m not firing all my cylinders today.
Sigh. I just know people are gonna ding me for saying a whole lot of nothing. And I’m sorry for that. But I’m still relatively new at this stuff and it helps me to work it out as I go along. Generally, as I said, I’m in the camp that revealing too much about a role is a dangerous thing. But maybe some risks are worth it, I really don’t have enough to judge on yet.
choie, **storyteller **has already told us there are Masons in this game so that shouldn’t be up for discussion. Your scenario is what I was referring to in my previous post as a boon to Town. The scum, in effect, trade two of their ranks for two Masons. I’d take that trade any day! The only time this gambit is useful for Scum is when we are close to confirming enough Town players to out-right identify all the Scum. The gambit is designed to buy them one additional mis-lynch.
I disagree with pretty much everything you say in this post. In particular:
Finally, I don’t agree that what I posted would provide any cover whatsoever for a Serial Killer. The people in this game are a wee bit smarter than that; nobody here is going to think “well, Suburban said that someone tried to kill him, therefore he must be Town”.
Back to the PM I received: I’m not entirely convinced that what happened was as simple as “killer blocked by Doctor” or something of that nature. I’ve never played in a game where I received a PM telling me “you almost got killed, but you didn’t”, unless my survival was caused my some inherent ability of my own (e.g. Scotsman). That isn’t the case here. I received a completely unexpected PM, telling me something that I wasn’t expecting to hear, and with no explanation for why I received it. I’m inclined to believe that whatever went on last Night, it was more than just a simple block or protection…but I have no idea what it was.
For the reasons just above, I felt it was best to share my information with the Town. It may get us nowhere, but the potential upside in speaking out outweighs the risk, in my opinion. If someone placed some protection on me last Night, they now know that it worked. If someone happened to be watching me last Night, they now have a good idea who one of our killers might be. And the only additional information I’ve given to the Scum (or any other Bad Guys) is that I didn’t thwart anyone’s efforts myself.
Unless, of course, I did. 
Been busy with work and Super Bowl. More substantial post coming after work tonight.
I just wanted to tell you this is pretty unlikely. Scum must kill masons, full stop. An unlynchable group of townies is the most deadly thing to the scum team, bar none. It’s even worse than investigator-confirmed townies, because a) we would still worry about godfathers and b) most moderators don’t make one of the masons scum.
Therefore, scum must kill masons at some point, and a mason team being left alone would be incredibly suspicious. It’s like a scum Cop claim… Eventually, they have to explain why they aren’t dead.
I missed this over the weekend:
Guiri, what do you mean here by “from #57”? I assume this a typo…I’ve gone through all the posts with ‘57’ in the number and don’t see anything stating this…
…or am I just being extra-dense today?
Post #67 is the Rules post, I assume that was the typo.
Thanks. I completely missed that in the Rules.
I see several reasons why it would be good for town:
If there still was a townie nightkiller (s)he wouldn’t have to worry about killing some townies, at least. But that point is obviously moot.
I honestly don’t see a downside to this.
Oops I’m sorry. I really shouldn’t post theories on… yeah going on 30+ hours without sleep now. Forgot about story’s info. I’ll have to read back when my eyes are properly open. (Which makes me think of “Sokath, his eyes uncovered!” Oh God I really am a geek.)
But isn’t that only if they’re confirmed Masons? If Masons were always easy to prove as honest, wouldn’t Diggit be correct in saying they might as well reveal themselves now? There’s probably some subtlety here I’m not getting, but it must be said I’m missing anything subtler than a wrecking ball to the head right now.
Is it really impossible for scum to claim Masons and bewilder Town? How do we know who’s who?
Some people read tea leaves; maybe he reads steak sauce bottles.
Yeah I’m out until I get some sleep. My lucidity is waning fast.