Zombie Mosier groans with displeasure at the coming light of Day, and ducks into a shadowy corner.
“Unhhhh. Braaaains.”
All quick results have been sent out.
- If you sent in a night action, some response should have been given, some result.
- If you changed your class, a new role PM will be sent out ASAP. Forgive me for the delay.
- If you voted yesterday, you gained a level.
- If you sustained damage or lost an item, or were otherwise compromised, you were informed.
- If you asked a question that was not answered, please PM me the question so I don’t forget to answer it right away.
The last bit is simply the PMs. Forgive me but I gotta turn in, early day.
Haha. Funny PM from Weedy last night (or actually just after the night had ended):
[QUOTE=Weedy]
hiya Normal Phase,
I have a Town read on you; hope I’m not wrong.
I have acquired a Night protect action. I was thinking of protecting you, but you seem to have your own protection running, so it might be redundant If not you, who do you think I should protect?
My protection is Elemental in nature.
[/QUOTE]
I don’t think she was actually interested in protecting me, do you? More later.
Question, though – who’s been voted rings so far? I believe at least one went up for vote, on day two.
Welcome back, Guiri.
I’m not entirely sure this will be beneficial.
What’s more likely, a Townie professing a Town lean on Weedy, or a fellow-Scum professing a Town lean on her?
I think it would be more likely that a Scum would profess a Town lean on a real Townie, to build up Town credit.
It could just have been sent to give her Town cred, pity it too late to do anything with it lol. The colour does make it look as if she’s scum doesn’t it.
Welcome** Guiri**, nice to see you alive again.
OK, well.
If the reveal we’ve been given on Weedy is not an indicator of anti-Town alignment, then I’m not sure how to even play this game at all. So I’m going to assume that it is, and that in turn our other non-ToeJam deaths have been Town. The key question is whether Weedy was Scum (ie, a member of an Anti-Town team with off-board communication and knowledge of one another’s own identities) - in which case there is interest in looking at her various interactions with other players - or some other variety of individual anti-Town, in which case that’d be less useful.
But I have no idea how to answer that question. So I’m just going to go back and look at who has talked to Weedy, who has talked about Weedy, and who Weedy talked about and voted for, and go from there.
I will say for the moment that even assuming Weedy as Scum in a conventional Mafia sense, neither Visorslash’s perspective - “let’s look at people with Town reads on Weedy [as they are more likely to be Scum]” - nor BobArrgh’s - "Town would be more likely to have “town reads” on Scum than Scum - appeals to me much by itself. Either is possible; what matters is the whys and hows.
Weedy was the only death last night, and I’m guessing the scum didn’t have anything to do with that. I’m concerned about what that possibly suggests for Guiri’s resurrection.
I’m gonna hold off on approaching that angle until toMorrow, though. Scum might have another surprise they skipped their night kill for.
I was offered the chance to switch to neutral/neutral in alignment toDay. If town wants, I can switch and report back what, if anything, changes about me. This would screw up my dreams of being a Beastmaster, but it could yield information.
**Guiri’s **return was accompanied by a shimmering white light. I’m pretty sure that we’re supposed to take that as a sign that the resurrection was performed by someone Good, but I suppose that still doesn’t tell us about Guiri’s own alignment.
Well played, Weedy! You really stepped up your game after I accused you of being scum. 
Vote Believerer again – I want to see SOMETHING from you.
This is a good and interesting point. But the kill was performed through Lord Phere, which is also interesting, because it suggests that it was more than someone’s typical night attack.
I’m fairly sure that if you switch to neutral/neutral, your win condition will change. (Me, I’m still Lawful Good, and have been since the beginning.)
That only applies if Weedy herself was scum and I’m not at all sure that she was. She was increasingly being accepted as townie – reason enough for scum to attack her, if she was a PFK.
Unlimited resurrection of townies by a townie would seem as overpowered on the town side as is secret triple-voting by scum for the scum side. More so, really. There has to be a catch somewhere, but I’m not certain enough to bet on what. It could be as simple as the presence of false-flip-as-townie players on the scum/non-town side. It could be someone recruiting you resurrected types in plain sight. Any other thoughts? And why should Guiri be more suspicious than you in that regard?
What do you mean by offered the chance?
Finally, Gadarene’s attitude shift toward the game coincident with Astral’s resurrection is really bothering me (even if Weedy did imply the same), precisely because it would seem so ridiculously overpowered for town on its face.
@Gadarene: yes, the kill was performed through Phere. So have almost all of our special kills. I think Phere is here for color.
And it’ll switch my win condition? I find this doubtful. I’m neutral/good. I can switch to neutral/neutral or chaotic/good. After that, I could switch to evil. And I doubt it’s that easy to join the scum team.
I think we have inherent win conditions Related to our game alignment and unrelated to our moral or law alignment.
@Normal Phase: yes, if Weedy was a PFK and not on the scum team, my thoughts don’t pan out.
Why are you asking ME why Guiri should be more suspicious than myself? Presumably, I know my own alignment. Just because I was resurrected similarly does not mean our resurrections were the same.
As for what I meant by chance: Askthepizzaguy said to me “you can switch your alignment now, if you want.” Like everything else about my role, I then immediately reported that to town.
I see what you’re saying, and you make a good point. It’s wrong, but it’s cogent and I appreciate you voicing it.
The resurrections bother me (and have caused me to lose some enthusiasm) not because they seem overpowered for town, but because – as I said in an earlier post – this game is fundamentally about information asymmetry for Town intersecting with numbers asymmetry for Scum. I want to gain information as we go along, to progress from early game to mid-game to (at some point) end-game. It’s one of the fun things about Mafia for me, the shifting nature of interactions and analysis as more and more information comes out. I need to feel like we’re progressing towards being increasingly able to solve the game as we stay alive. The lack of reveals that I can have much confidence in coupled with the resurrection of lynch targets (again, without any additional information) just makes it feel like we’re running in place. And if I run in place for too long, it’s hard to stay engaged because we’re not going anywhere. I’m persnickety about mechanics and momentum. It’s not the best trait, but it’s how I am, and if you read the Little Mermaid game you don’t need to look far for an example of me being similarly frustrated as Town previously.
Would I feel the same way as scum? Probably. But for different reasons.
I think there’s probably a difference between “joining the scum team” when you switch to evil and “changing your win condition” when you switch to evil. I can think of plenty of win conditions for evil characters that would be anti-Town yet would not require them to be joined up with whatever scum team started out the game.
I got a similar message. It STRONGLY implied, if not outright suggested, that changing my alignment will change my goals in this game. With what I know about ToeJam’s win condition as a True Neutral, I interpreted this to mean that changing the good/neutral/evil component of my alignment would change my win condition. You might want to reread what Pizza said again. 
By the way, I do not intend to ever shift my alignment this game.
Are you talking about the bit about getting closer to chaos and evil? Again, look at your PM. You have three relevant alignments. Law, moral, and game. Law & moral seem to be divorced from the game alignment. Why then do you think changing them can affect your game alignment?
Further, to become a Dragonslayer, I need to be chaotic/good. If I push myself towards chaos, I get new class options. I have no reason to believe it also affects my inherent game alignment, which is town.
Finally: note that Weedy was VERY evil, not just evil. I don’t see an option to switch to “very” evil anywhere.
I don’t believe there’s any evidence that changing your law & moral alignments affects your game alignment.
I’m not talking about this bit, no. I’m talking about the bit that I said I was talking about.
I have evidence. While the OP is somewhat unclear on this particular thing, I’m chary of outright quoting PMs from Pizza in the thread. I’ll PM you and we can talk about it there instead.
I love this word.
To the PMs!
By my count, the only player who appears to be in danger here is Lilflower, who hasn’t posted since Day 1.
Next in line would be **Mahaloth **and PetW, who we haven’t heard from since Day 2, but they shouldn’t be in any danger until some time Tomorrow.
I’m okay with all of these modkills.
Dear town: I think we need more dead bodies for info. It’s increasingly becoming clear to me that this game was balanced around more bloodshed. Might I suggest we start actually combining our attacks on targets? For realsies this time? 