You didn’t cite your post correctly, so there’s no blue triangle to take me to it. I have no idea what the context was of that post. It seems to me you were talking to Gadarene.
I’ll point out, Gadarene flipped town, and Gadarene was satisfied that the discrepancy between our PMs was on Pizza’s end. You’ll note he never brings it up as an issue again. Since he flipped town, you know he isn’t my scum buddy.
Not always true. He killed scum last night.
You’re assuming Weedy was part of the scum team.
I was also warned of a win condition change. And in fact my new role PM Today is very specific about which direction lay fights and guards. Pizza seems to be trying to be clearer about this stuff as he goes on.
Astral’s was first, wasn’t it? Was his statement before Pizza made the rule change about how fast alignments could shift?
Sometimes conversations on these boards feel like dental surgery.
Was this a joke? The context should have been crystal clear, unless you’re one of these guys who insists each post begin with tabula rasa.
Is this another joke?
It is was immediately prior to the Gadarene post I did give you a blue triangle for.
And I stated the post number.
And, anyway, the real confusion is why you didn’t respond to it when I posted it 2 or 3 weeks ago.
I brought it up again with Gadarene in PM and he finally agreed it seemed strange. I knew he was in PM collusion with you, and still didn’t seem over-concerned, so I almost forgot about it…
Anyway, this is all OOG – I don’t have much of a scum lean on you. I just found this dialog very frustrating – if we were in BBQ Pit I’d say either you’re an ••••• or you think I’m an ••••• or both.
Don’t bother to respond to this.
In fact, since you admit that a post by septimus suggesting you might be lying is of no interest to you unless it contains a direct question, don’t bother responding to any of my posts unless I ask you a direct question.
Let me addend that - although my new role PM is very specific it’s not completely clear - attacking seems to be both chaotic and evil. I’m waiting on a clarification from Pizza.
I was definitely offered a choice about alignment change. If we’re to take Pizza at his word, we won’t be forced into an alignment with a different win condition. (Based on his answer to the recruitment question). It’s not inconceivable we’d be forced into an alignment that’s compatible with our current win condition, if we behaved more like that (moral/law) alignment than our current one.
I must say that attacking the demon feels like an odd thing to be evil, compared to lynching townies, however accidentally. Unless, and this just occurred to me, the king is still in there somewhere and we’re damaging him!
Less a stretch than your assumption, “Phere is always deliberately anti-town.”
Are you in a bad mood, Septimus? The real reason I didn’t address your question is that I don’t remember seeing it. I either glossed over it, or forgot about it. I play most of this game on my phone, and it’s exceptionally easy to miss things that way. (Like when the end of the day is, perhaps?) I’m guessing that I didn’t answer it because it wasn’t addressed to me, and thus I missed it.
I don’t think you’re a pile of letters, and I’m kinda sad you think I am. Tempers seem to be flaring quite a bit in this game, for whatever reason. I feel like my thought process makes sense, and yours does too, once we cleared up our mutual misunderstanding:
Here’s the chain of comments:
Glee is talking about good, lawful, unlawful, and violent actions shifting your “karma.” Glee then asks if your alignment can be forcibly changed. Here’s my response:
From my perspective, glee is talking about “actions” shifting your “karma.” According to pizza via my character updates, attacking people each day gave me the chance to change my law or moral alignment. I am currently neutral/good. I can change to neutral/neutral or chaotic/good. I can also refrain from switching.
To recap: glee is talking about actions changing your alignment. Because of my own actions, I know that actions specifically change your law or moral alignment. I’m thus talking about law and moral alignments in my response. You then question me:
I’m still talking about law or moral alignment, and I’m not thinking about game alignment here. So I answer in kind:
Each step of the way, we were talking about different things, it seems. At this point, I have no idea that you’re referring to the Gadarene PM addendum that I didn’t receive. I thought glee was talking about law and moral alignments. I was talking about law and moral alignments. And I thought you were asking me if this was the first time I brought up law or moral alignment shifts.
You explain what you were talking about, and I respond with the equivalent of an “ah ha! I get it now!” post:
And then, now that I get it, I answer the question you had actually asked:
I still can’t tell you why he got the addendum and I didn’t. I did seem to receive mine first - at the very least, I reported it first. Perhaps Tanaer’s hypothesis about Pizza getting more clear as the game progresses is correct.
We’ve been talking past each other ever since. You cool with putting this behind us and moving on?
To recap:
All scum kills seem to be performed by Phere. If some of those kills were PFKs or third parties, they also seem to be performed by Phere. We have no evidence yet that Phere’s actions have been a representation of townie actions (excluding the lynch, obviously).
All attacks seem to originate from whomever did the attacking. Phere is not involved when townies attack each other. Nor is he involved if scum are also hiding amongst the attackers.
gnarlycharlie, however, is the first kill we’ve seen that is NOT attributed to Phere. This is a new data point. What if he’s town? Then there’s evidence supporting the fact that Phere is a representation of the forces arrayed against us. And, for better or worse, you were directly raised by Phere.
Can you fault any of this reasoning?
OK, I’ll repeat my PM question here in the thread:
Askthepizzaguy: Does attacking Lord Phere count as good or neutral or evil?
To confirm what Astral Rejection said, I’m only talking about alignment changes through attacking e.g. Lawful Good.
I have never considered the possibilty of changing from Town to Scum - and nor has Askthepizzaguy ever said anything to suggest we can.
Thanks for the information, but unfortunately it does still worry me.
Couldn’t you have asked for Protection? (We know that all Soldiers can take damage for you.)
Why was Gadarene (and Astral) attacking you?
Killing someone at night sounds like Scum…
This is the second time I’ve seen this. I attacked Mosier, not gnarlycharlie.
Oops, hit submit before I was done. Full disclosure: I considered attacking gnarlycharlie, but changed my mind.
Or town vigilante.
I was just quoting gnarlycharlie:
OK, but that would mean Town (Gadarene) attacking Town Vigilante (gnarlycharlie), who then kills the Townie instead of asking for protection.
It’s a mess (or gnarlycharlie is Scum.)
He’s also possibly third party of some flavor.
By the way, doesn’t the day end tomorrow? The voting record has been downright anemic toDay.
Why exclude the lynch? Why would scum kill Weedy? Why would scum zombify me, a “good” adventurer? Seems lots of evidence Phere isn’t 100% scum tool. Maybe he’s randomized? All I know is my alignment and win condition are the same as a zombie as alive, to eliminate threats to town.
Maybe. Phere has killed either randomly, or as an agent of “not-scum” in the night. He has also killed good adventurers. He has also resurrected good adventurers.
Yes. You want to say Phere is definitely a scum tool, when it’s clear that’s not his only purpose. I know this personally, because I’m not scum and he resurrected me. The rest of the game knows this because Phere killed someone who flipped “very evil.” If very evil isn’t scum, we all have no idea how we’re doing in the game and might as well not be playing, because any of the other adventurers Phere killed who flipped “good” might have actually been scum. Either way, you can’t say conclusively that Phere = scum.
Just so all the cards are out, I’m eating (attacking) Visorslash today. I’m also voting him, and as a Zombie Knight my vote counts for two. After him, I’m eating and voting Suburban Plankton.
For a zombie you sure sound like regular people to me. What happened to the “me want braaaaains” speech pattern?
Scum would kill Weedy if she wasn’t part of their team, and instead a PFK. Assuming scum zombified you, good adventurers were their only choice. There’s one new piece of evidence that Phere COULD BE 100% a scum tool, as gnarlycharlie’s action (a night kill) was not presented as coming from Phere. Why do you think he would be random? You knowing your win condition is not the same as me knowing your win condition.
This is not a mafia game if Phere is random. There is no way to understand and solve the game if Phere is killing randomly. Players have to be directing the night kills. Yes, he has killed good adventurers. However, he hasn’t resurrected good player"s". Someone else resurrected Guiri and I, further evidence that your resurrection is different.
It’s my hypothesis. I could be wrong. Weedy could be PFK; there wasn’t another kill that night, which would possibly indicate scum killed her. Nobody else has taken credit for it, which would be pretty serious town cred.