[Mafia game] The Realm of Phere

[Visorslash]

So we’re turning this wagon around? Well, it’s a target I can get behind.

Unvote; Vote: Mosier

Gnarly, you have the ability to kill, or deal damage?

[LightFoot]

** choie ** I was not ignoring you, I will say that your perceived tone ( intended or not) put me off.

And since you read more into what I typed than I intended or even meant. I guess that knife cuts both ways.

I started to say more @ you but decided to keep off it. I wasn’t smudging btw.
And Monday at work was a 100 MPH day again.

The ‘ pissy’ comment I made was directed at more than one player and more than one game.- it’s a bit of an epidemic on a few boards of late.
And one got it right the ‘ I won’t die” comment was RL based so I can keep a cool head when the games get heated.

Now on to ** gnarly charlie ** 

Even if he is not Scum. Randomly killing Town –* because he can*- is not good for Town.

But we are in the dark as to who is Town as well.

Arg this game is a beach

Even If ** gnarly ** isn’t Scum and continues to kill Town isn’t that counter productive for the ‘ good guys’ ( I mean Town don’t get batman on me.)

[LightFoot]

@Visorslash

If you attack someone, that is an unlawful act. Therefore if you do two of these, you have the ability to change your (Good/Neutral) alignment down a phase to (Neutral/Evil) OR you can not accept the change OR you can change the other alignment things (Lawful/Neutral) to (Neutral/Chaotic). You can only do one of the options.

If you protect someone twice then you can switch your alignment from (Neutral/Evil) to (Good/Neutral), do nothing or (Neutral/Chaotic) to (Lawful/Neutral).

Understand?

I can verify this statement- if I read it right

[Tanaer]

@Visorslash

If you attack someone, that is an unlawful act. Therefore if you do two of these, you have the ability to change your (Good/Neutral) alignment down a phase to (Neutral/Evil) OR you can not accept the change OR you can change the other alignment things (Lawful/Neutral) to (Neutral/Chaotic). You can only do one of the options.

If you protect someone twice then you can switch your alignment from (Neutral/Evil) to (Good/Neutral), do nothing or (Neutral/Chaotic) to (Lawful/Neutral).

Understand?

Pretty much how I understood it

[LightFoot]

really bad day
can’t keep track of EOD

** vote gnarlie charlie **

an unbridled killer is not pro Town.

subject to change maybe I’m too tired to think

[gnarlycharlie]

@Astral_Rejection

This is the second time I’ve seen this. I attacked Mosier, not gnarlycharlie.

my apologies.

@glee

OK, but that would mean Town (Gadarene) attacking Town Vigilante (gnarlycharlie), who then kills the Townie instead of asking for protection.

It’s a mess (or gnarlycharlie is Scum.)

@Tanaer

I’m very dubious about GnarlyCharlie. I get vigilantism. I don’t know if I condone it, especially for a retaliatory attack more than trying to get rid of scum. He could have at least asked for protection before killing off another townie. Gadarene was trying to get lynch support on Suburban and Charlie without much luck, so I guess he went for the attack option.

@Tanaer

Very good point. I completely lost track of the night/day thing. Choie tells us some can defend at night though, and anonymously. Was Gnarlycharlie being attacked in the night, or just day? Did he ask for healing?

it wasn’t merely retaliation. it was self-preservation. he would have likely attacked me again toDay and that would likely be the end of me.

i didn’t ask for protection or healing. i don’t know anyone who has those powers. besides, i doubt anyone would have protected me or healed me again.

@Visorslash

So we’re turning this wagon around? Well, it’s a target I can get behind.

Unvote; Vote: Mosier

Gnarly, you have the ability to kill, or deal damage?

kill.

@LightFoot

really bad day
can’t keep track of EOD

vote gnarlie charlie

an unbridled killer is not pro Town.

subject to change maybe I’m too tired to think

hmm, so you don’t like vigs in general. i didn’t see that in past games.

[Silver_Jan]

This whole game is a mess for me. I really didn’t like gnarly killing** Gad**. I know he said it was for self preservation but there are players out there that can protect and that is often exposed during the Day phase. Sorry but I’m not sure if I buy it.

Gnarly, would you have told us that you had killed** Gad** if you hadn’t been seen doing it? Who else have you killed?

[Tanaer]

fwiw, I was curious about voting numbers so this is how it looks by my count:
Voting:Astral Rejection vf [del]gnarlycharlie 2903[/del], vf Mosier 2980
Choie vf Mosier 2961
Guiri vf Scathach 2803
Inner Stickler vf Gnarlycharlie 2914
Lightfoot vf gnarlycharlie 2985
Mosier vf Visorslash 2823
Normal Phase vf [del]Scathach 2804[/del], Tanaer 2807
Scathach vf Guiri 2806
Septimus vf Visorslash 2830
Silver Jan vf [del]Visorslash 2850[/del], gnarlycharlie 2890
Storyteller0910 vf Suburban Plankton 2905
Tanaer vf Suburban Plankton 2853
Visorslash vf [del]Normal Phase 2820[/del], [del]gnarlycharlie 2891[/del], Mosier 2981
And by potential lynchee - tallies are without double votes as I’m not sure who has them anymore:
Gnarlycharlie 3- Silver Jan 2890, [del]Visorslash 2891[/del], [del]Astral Rejection 2903[/del], Inner Stickler 2914, Lightfoot 2985
Mosier 3- Choie 2961, Mosier 2980, Visorslash 2981
Visorslash 2 - Mosier 2823, Septimus 2830, [del]Silver Jan 2850[/del]
Suburban Plankton 2- Tanaer 2853, Storyteller0910 2905
Scathach 1- Guiri 2803, [del]Normal Phase 2804[/del]
Guiri 1- Scathach 2806

[glee]

@Visorslash

Soldiers can’t protect at night. We have a day attack and a day defend.

Presumably Gadarene (and Astral) was attacking gnarlycharlie during the day.

[glee]

@Visorslash

If you attack someone, that is an unlawful act. Therefore if you do two of these, you have the ability to change your (Good/Neutral) alignment down a phase to (Neutral/Evil) OR you can not accept the change OR you can change the other alignment things (Lawful/Neutral) to (Neutral/Chaotic). You can only do one of the options.

If you protect someone twice then you can switch your alignment from (Neutral/Evil) to (Good/Neutral), do nothing or (Neutral/Chaotic) to (Lawful/Neutral).

Understand?

1. How do you know all this?

2. Askthepizzaguy told me **attacking Phere was evil **(I’m waiting for confirmation in the thread.)

[glee]

@LightFoot

Now on to ** gnarly charlie **

Even if he is not Scum. Randomly killing Town –* because he can*- is not good for Town.

vote gnarlycharlie

[Askthepizzaguy]

@choie

Askthepizzaguy: Can you please confirm that I did NOT shield myself, but rather someone else did it for me (unsuccessfully, alas)?

I can’t confirm who did what, but I can say that there’s nothing in the writeup that indicates where the shield came from.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@glee

Askthepizzaguy: Does attacking Lord Phere count as good or neutral or evil?

Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny…

[Astral_Rejection]

I got my beast master role PM today! And there was much rejoicing. It now very specifically says that my various alignments and win condition remain the same. Pizza seems to making this extra clear now.

[Normal_Phase]

I’m not at all certain I buy GC’s explanation either. I mean, I think that he clearly did do it for self-preservation, but I’m not sure I buy that that’s consistent with a town motivation. My instinct says no but I’d like to review his posts again first.

I’ve actually been getting a rather townie impression from Mosier lately, up to but not including the disappearance of his zombie schtick. I’d still really like to see how he flips.

There’s other stuff but it’ll have to wait.

[Astral_Rejection]

Normal, with the day ending in 8 hours or so, could I interest you in placing your vote on one of the top two or three wagons? I’d prefer not to have a repeat of yesterday, where more than half the players were voting for one-offs.

[Astral_Rejection]

Tanaer - you have Mosier voting for himself, but that vote is actually mine. The vote doublers are Visorslash and Normal Phase.

I could go either way on gnarly or Mosier. Gnarly’s death, while not my favorite, would give town a key piece of information regarding Phere and night actions in general. I’d prefer Mosier (and NAF for that matter), but I can (callously) support a gnarly lynch for the info gain.

Gnarly, If it looks like you’re going to be the lynch, would you mind PMing me and someone else you trust what you can tell us about your class? If you die, I’d like to maximize town’s information gains.

[Normal_Phase]

@Astral_Rejection

Normal, with the day ending in 8 hours or so, could I interest you in placing your vote on one of the top two or three wagons? I’d prefer not to have a repeat of yesterday, where more than half the players were voting for one-offs.

Yeah, that’s what I’m intending.

BTW – glee and Mosier are also double voters. Visorslash may or may not be at this point; I’ve sort of lost track. The class (or “a class” – I can’t actually be sure that Visor began as the same class as I did) that has the double vote is Knight (and the class change from there that I’m at now). glee said he’s a knight and Mosier said zombie knight.

Lilflower’s vote on day one (glee’s predecessor) should have been doubled. I had to ask Pizza about it due to the apparent contradiction, and he said that he would have to mod-confirm the double vote if it came up, due to his mistake.

[Tanaer]

Here’s a repost of the vote count with corrections - sorry, I knew I’d stuff something up, but at least I tried:

Voting:Astral Rejection vf [del]gnarlycharlie 2903[/del], vf Mosier 2980
Choie vf Mosier 2961
Guiri vf Scathach 2803
Inner Stickler vf Gnarlycharlie 2914
Lightfoot vf gnarlycharlie 2985
Mosier vf Visorslash 2823
Normal Phase vf [del]Scathach 2804[/del], Tanaer 2807
Scathach vf Guiri 2806
Septimus vf Visorslash 2830
Silver Jan vf [del]Visorslash 2850[/del], gnarlycharlie 2890
Storyteller0910 vf Suburban Plankton 2905
Tanaer vf Suburban Plankton 2853
Visorslash vf [del]Normal Phase 2820[/del], [del]gnarlycharlie 2891[/del], Mosier 2981
And by potential lynchee - I’ve included doubles for Normal, Visorslash, and Mosier’s claimed double (with * to make it clearer).

Gnarlycharlie 3- Silver Jan 2890, [del]Visorslash 2891[/del], [del]Astral Rejection 2903[/del], Inner Stickler 2914, Lightfoot 2985
Mosier 4- Choie 2961, Astral Rejection 2980, Visorslash* 2981
Visorslash 3 - Mosier* 2823, Septimus 2830, [del]Silver Jan 2850[/del]
Suburban Plankton 2- Tanaer 2853, Storyteller0910 2905
Tanaer 2 - Normal Phase* 2807
Scathach 1- Guiri 2803, [del]Normal Phase 2804[/del]
Guiri 1- Scathach 2806

[Astral_Rejection]

Also, can we come to a consensus on who to attack toDay?

I vote Mosier IF gnary is lynched. I vote Believerer if Mosier is lynched.