Well, because the only reason* I* had for giving Inner the benefit of the doubt was meta (past game experience at having twice voted him, helped to lynch him, only to find out he’d been Town – both times, dammit!). I know that’s illogical and silly, but hey. I own that. But you hadn’t given any reason for protecting him at great risk to your own life (at least, I didn’t remember you giving a reason).
Once he turned out to be Town (or at least Good, assuming they’re both the same thing) your protection could’ve been good luck (if you’re Town) or face-saving/alibi-giving (if you’re Scum) later on. Or, I dunno, you could’ve just wanted some XP and Inner was the lucky beneficiary.
Whatever the reason, I wanted to know what it was. Is that unusual?
Nope, not at all. The ususual bit was your act that you had absolutely no idea why anyone in the world would consider protecting Inner while strongly implying that you thought he was Town in your other posts.
I had (at the time) 300 hit points. I had no reason to suspect my 25-hit-point attack would slay BobArrgh. Now I have 400, and I suspect others have gone up by a similar amount.
Attacking MHaye was unlikely to change my opinion about him. I had no read on BobArghh, and I thought his reaction to getting attacked might possibly rattle him, and his reaction could be telling.
Of course, now that I know the results of all attacks are publicly revealed, that strategy won’t work the way I intended.
Why not defend? I had no reason at the time to think people would be aware of defends, so I deemed it unlikely to provide any additional information.
It wasn’t an act, though that’s some nice smudging by framing it as one. I just told you why I was thinking (hoping) he was Town. I’d learned not to think of Inner as scummy even though his overly helpful performance often comes across as too helpful. I’ve learned now that it’s just Inner being Inner. It’s a null tell.
You, however, failed to give any reason for quite a while after you did your “Here I come to save the day!” Mighty Mouse impersonation. Protecting someone specific at risk of your own life (or at least hp) is a lot stranger (an unusual choice for someone presumably without knowledge of the guy’s guilt or innocence).
In fact it’s odd that you’re bringing up something that reflects far worse on you than it does on me. Weird strategy, this.
So it wasn’t “beyond you” why someone would consider protecting him?
Quite a while? Inner asked after midnight in #648, you asked in #650, Weedy in #662, Lightfoot in #663, Gadarene in #664, you again with a different tone in #666, and I replied at 8am in #688… And Might Mouse, really?
I’m not seeing that, I’m questioning an inconsistency in your approach to Inner.
Being willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt because of my having twice in two games incorrectly voted to lynch him is one thing. That’s fairly passive support: “I won’t vote you guilty.”
Taking one’s life in one’s hands, without any reason to know whether he’s Town, or has any special value more than yourself, is quite another. If someone hadn’t been really reallyreally nice and healed you, you’d be pretty low in hit points right now. That was a serious risk to take for someone you couldn’t have known was Town. Now that is active support. “Not only won’t I vote for you, but I’ll save your life at the possible expense of my own, that’s how valuable you are to me!” Hell that’s not just active, that’s reckless (potential) martyrdom.
You really don’t see a difference? Heck, the fact that several people asked you why you did it is proof that it was an unusual act of selflessness or trust… or PIS.
I dunno, forty posts seems like a long time to me. But then I’m usually up hella late at night, so I can be less aware of how time passes than those of you who are in slumberland. Things stretch on and on at night in this game, especially because fewer people are posting.
(You’re offended 'cause I equated you with Mighty Mouse? Does that character have a different connotation in your neck of the woods? He’s the little dude who saves the damsel in distress. It’s a heroic thing.)
I will be off work * shite what a day * in about an hour and I have been informed that the home computer has crashed.
I will be standing on my head to get it fixed ASAP.
I wanted to explain my absence beforehand.
I don’t see why you would lie about this, but according to the rules, you’re not supposed to be able to both gain a level and change class in the same Day: “Any round where you place a vote during the day, and do not switch character classes, you are awarded one experience level. You do not have to successfully lynch a mafioso or use a special ability.” You said you were vanilla?
Oh come now. You don’t see how highlighting your own act of protecting someone you couldn’t have known was town only serves to remind us that you did something that pretty much only someone who was sure a guy was Town would have done?
You’re smarter than that. This statement is astonishingly disingenuous.
There’s no inconsistency at all in my approach toward him. The only way I looked at Inner was to remind myself that he might be one of the good guys despite being helpful*, so I didn’t want to vote for him without much more proof.
What I really think is that you’re under the impression that my approach to you saving Inner is a change in my feelings toward Inner, when in fact it’s actually just a reflection on my wariness about you. Because all I saw was a guy who presumably knewInner was town and knew he would be attacked and knew he’d look darn good afterwards.
Actually I don’t think you’re scum. But the more you behave so disingenuously, and so non-Guiriesque, the more you worry me.
Heh. Only in Mafia would such a sentence make sense!
[OOC]
This thing from Normal is as far as I’ve gotten in read-through. I wish the game had started earlier when I had more time. Now school is sucking up my life, and my attention - I’m finding it hard to retain impressions. No doubt my newbness doesn’t help. (I suppose I could read backward but then so many references would man next to nothing.) I think perhaps me not being able to get a vote in speaks a bit to my busy-ness. Probably I will get lynched for it at some point. Oh well. I wish I had time to play effectively - I love this game, RP possibilities, figuring out the game as well as the scum.
I have the following things to say (as of post 93-something)
Gad: I sympathise with the frustration with the voting. I spent an entire game double- and triple- thinking suspicions on you because everyone said how well you played scum. This time I’m just going on impressions, and you may well get a protect from me at the end of the day if things go as they are. That said, I know Weedy has played with you a lot.
I can confirm that my item matches my element. Some interesting possibilities:
a) the items may be damaging to players of a different element, or debuff, or just debuff an opposing element.
b) some items may not be compatible with each other
Regarding tally-affecting powers -
These might not be simple extra votes. Eg
make your vote count twice
double the vote on a player (ok that’s extreme)
protect a player - move x votes to the next player down the tally, or more.
make someone else’s vote count twice
I’m guessing there’s more than one.
Anyway I’m sick of being OOC now. I probably can’t get back online for at least 10, maybe 13 hours. [/OOC]
Adventurers who say with such import
that old Lord Phere should never be attacked
are thinking with a mind quite limited
in how he has his influences stacked -
Perhaps were I to take to him with sword
And others of you fight him in your way,
his influence might be a trifle less
and he may hurt us less this coming day.
That makes sense. I didn’t know of that, since I think our roles are all slightly different, which may be why we’re all so wary of each other (even more than usual). I don’t think there’s a standard PM, one-size-fits-all for Townies. Obviously we shouldn’t go into any further details, but I think pizzaguy made certain handshaking was not only against the rules, it’s almost impossible because there’s nothing identical to handshake. I think that’s why it takes so long for him to send out all the PMs and updates and whatnot.
Anyway, that’s why I really didn’t focus on your seemingly would-be martyr behavior afterwards, especially as the game wore on and the… shall we say, eccentricity?.. of this game’s rules was made more apparent to me. Old habits (well, as old as they can get after two games) die hard, and I simply wasn’t used to people risking themselves on strangers without knowing (or at least strongly suspecting) they’re a power role. Since Inner didn’t turn out to have a power role, and I didn’t recall any clues earlier indicating why you’d have thought so, I did find it mystifying – unless you were trying to make yourself look good.
But really that’s backwards thinking, because even a newbie Mafia player would know that knowing too much about another player’s alignment makes you look bad. And you ain’t no newbie. Honestly I didn’t suspect you at all since that time until you started going after me just now, and I remembered that whole defense thing. I think that defense tactics turning into offense tactics is natural but really, not helpful. Sorry about that.
Yeah, I think the whole misunderstanding was just a time zone thing. You’re what, five hours ahead of me? (I’m in NY, US.) So you’d’ve been sleeping while I was naturally still awake, and even when I should’ve been sleeping, I was still awake. So as I said, the time stretched like a big stretchy thing.
Anyway, the dialogue.. it was related to what “Guiri” had said in the color narrative courtesy of our puppetmaster playwright. “I’ll protect you, Inner!” – and twice, I believe. That’s the Mighty Mouse thing.
But you hadn’t given any reason for protecting him at great risk to your own life (at least, I didn’t remember you giving a reason).