[Mafia game] The Realm of Phere

The Game Room
1201

I explained why I find his deals unseemly. It’s not just the PMming stuff. I know (but hate) that PMs are part of the game mechanism. But it isn’t that, it’s that he’s simultaneously appraising these items and offering money to buy them, with prices based on his own estimation. His customers have no idea whether what he says is true. Or do they? I haven’t heard anything from these sellers.

We have no idea what these things do. I can think of a few reasons why we shouldn’t give up our pretties (those of us/you who have 'em) to some shyster in a checked suit with “Professor Harold Hill” on his suitcase. What if they’re, I dunno, horcruxes? (Well, not really horcruxes, but you know what I mean.) What if fubbles has to gather them all in order to complete his hold on Lord Phere? Or maybe he’s collecting them for Lord Phere. Who the heck knows? Not me. And that worries me.

Real-life example of why I don’t trust this sort of behavior: I recently wrote elsewhere on the SDMB about how when I was 21, I had a book appraised by a book dealer as being worth about $1,000. She offered me that figure, and because I was young and trusting, I accepted it. Not much later I read in the New Yorker about an identical edition of this rare book (a copy of Ulysses signed by James Joyce and illustrated by Henri Matisse) auctioned at $8K. I even saw another edition (there were only 200 printed) on the Antiques Roadshow that was appraised at $12K. Result: a sadder but wiser choie, who learned: don’t sell things to the same person who’s appraising your item.

Since I’m not getting a strong scum reading on anyone, I’m looking for the person who a) seems at least partly scummy and b) will do the least damage to town if he’s lynched. Someone who to me seems third party, and not quite kosher in his business dealings (he should’ve announced his offers in public first and then gone the PM route, IMHO), and who seems to have the whip hand over us because it appears he’s the only one who can evaluate these items (I may be wrong about that but I haven’t heard anyone else explaining what they do)… well, yeah, maybe that’s a “safe” lynch but I’d rather be safe than destructive.

We’ve got some ridiculously over-powered scum players (or player, but that seems weird even for pizzaguy) who can totally override us. I don’t want to lose any more townspeople than necessary, though sadly it seems we’re guaranteed at least one or two a night/day cycle.

So let’s say fubbles is third party but harmless to Town. Well, frankly, if I have to choose between lynching a harmless third party and someone I think might be an innocent Townsperson, well, that’s an easy choice. No offense to fubbles, but his death would be less destructive to Town.

1202

Another vote on** Gad** with no good reason!

I am going to

Vote Astral Rejection

Apart from his D1 shenanigans the triple vote/unvotes on him really makes him look scummy to me. I think that when the triple voter skipped over** Astral** yesterday and targeted** Mosier** instead, that made me think he could be scum. The triple vote/unvote just seems to confirm it.

1203

We need a clear lynch. Unvote; Vote: Astral Rejection

1204

sorry to hear you were gypped. obviously your experience has colored your view of the game. i don’t think fubbles will be lynched any time soon. several players are interested in the identification of their items so they won’t be voting for him. at best your vote is just a statement and arguably a waste.

so since your voting him, you find the rest of us are town then?

1205

So you have additional information – that’s what I was asking.

Actually the way you describe it, the wealth condition IS third party by local definition, in that such a player can win with town but does not have to. It’s a town-friendly win condition but not town per se. (Unless you’re saying it does say Alignment: town in there somewhere? Though that doesn’t seem to fit. But at any rate, unless you’re explicitly saying that it does, then Gadarene/Gadarene’s informant are not lying.)

1206

I have to admit that Suburban has completely failed to ping me thus far, but that is quite strange and I would like to see an explanation.

1207

You can win one of two ways. It’s MUCH easier to win with town. But a backup plan always helps. But hd’s pushing it as a complete third party when it isn’t.

1208

But you have to survive as well as town.

1209

You’re being way too paranoid. (I’ve HAD a role akin to the one you attribute to fubbles in a previous Pizza game, and I’m still talking to him. He’s not going to win in a single day or even three or four with whatever vague not-town win condition you might think he has.) Just plain “would be willing to sell info to the scum in exchange for non-aggression” would be plenty reason for caution if you’re inclined that way, so why so much wild speculation?

And you are just wrong with your reasoning about the fubbles non-bandwagon. It is going nowhere. If a suspected third party that basically no one actually thinks is scum were going to get real support for a lynching, it would have happened by now. It’s been almost a full night and a full day that fubbles has been a topic of discussion. It’s not going to happen.

I’m not remotely as suspicious of you as some others are as I’ve seen this sort of bullheadedness from you before as town, but I still think you’re wrong. And I’d like you to consider the other bandwagons now and and least evaluate them for the record: MHaye, Gadarene, Astral, Weedy, etc.

Come on, choie, this is just silly. By the numbers alone someone in the non-fubbles lynch “leader” group is likely to be scum. Sit down and put yourself on the record as to who it is.

Argh. OK, now THAT last sentence did feel scummy.

Where in ALL this calculation is the idea of lynching someone WHO MIGHT BE SCUM? It’s completely absent. If you’re town, do you think you might want to consider that just a bit? How on earth else do you think we’re ever going to remove the scum, if not by trying to lynch them? Seriously, choie. This reasoning here is not right. Not even close.

I REALLY want to hear your thoughts on the other lynch options at this point.

1210

Right. And this is all the more reason I would very much like such players to identify themselves. Because “I don’t really want to hunt scum, because I have to live” and “I don’t really want to hunt scum, because I am one” do sort of look alike to the uninformed eye. And the longer such a player goes without putting down “I am thir party” for the record the more chance there is he or she will be seen as lying scum when they do do so.

1211

Good, more votes on Astral lets me

**unvote
**vote: PetW

To keep him on the board.

I’ll be around near end of day to move back or to MHaye if needed, I just need to see decision making from those who are or were at “none of the above”.

1212

Screwed up bolding Phase Shift.

1213

What else is new.

unvote
vote: PetW

1214

Why are you voting PetW now? :dubious:

1215

LOL that you didn’t ask me that question the first time. :slight_smile:

Same reason I voted him the first time, plus it’s just plain weird how the votes on him evaporated. Makes me paranoid.

Breaking people’s spreadsheets is also a plus.

1216

Hey, over here, votes disappear and reappear like magic. Not like the Org. Also, go join Pizzaguys game on the Org. :slight_smile:

Your last sentence: :):):):):):slight_smile:

1217

I’ve thought this for a while, although I think there might be 3 Scum, who may or may not be required to vote for the same person.

And, this is exactly what I was expecting to happen.

1218

What do you think it means, if anything? I was the recipient of the triple votes for a short period and then they were switched to Astral.

I’m probably playing into the hands of whoever manipulated the votes yesterDay but I still support an Astral lynch. I was pinged by his initial post. I thought he’d reacted well to the two votes until his second round of questioning to Gadarene and me - comparing his post to Glee’s. His vote on choie seemed like a misread of her post while making a determined effort to avoid omgusing or becoming over defensive. His vote on MHaye was fine, although I had a different take on MHaye’s playstyle. His vote switch may well have been well intended but it would have deprived Town of useful information. I also disliked his claim to protect choie, who he assumes is town, or others from outing themselves - his conviction that all vanilla know what’s going on read off. His promised WoW amounted to a vote analysis, which hasn’t resulted in anything, and self defense. It feels like he’s taking major steps to look pro-town without considering the implications and it feels forced. His explanation for attacking Bob - attacking someone he has no read on to see their reaction rather than attacking someone he suspects, protecting someone who may need it, or sitting on his weapon? And then he went quiet.

Vote Astral

I support a lynch of Scathach, ToeJam, or PetW too. I’d appreciate some response to the WoWs. I was starting to lean town on choie but dislike her lack of scum suspects and “next best thing” vote on Fubbles.

Funnily enough I’m not terribly enamored with Gadarene either, maybe it was the fishing about my damage, the argument that he was saved by a townie, the 7 point defense post, the relayed suggestion to attack the demon, the relayed accusations about Fubbles (although he never voted him). I too look forward to seeing what Suburban has to say.

1219

Vote Astral Rejection

Mostly from my POV, to follow the wagon, but he seems like a decent lynch to me. There’s been a few strange things about him - the triple voter skipped him to lynch Mosier, and his vote for Gad at :56. It’s weird that he anticipated vote changing power there. I thought he might be double voter himself, but he claimed vanilla.

I’m going to bed now, probably won’t be back before EoD.

1220

[verse off for the moment.. the lurgy’s lurking in my brain cells :frowning: ]

I believe there is a decent chance that (at least) one of the neighbouring countries has sent one or more folk to, say, deal with non-vanilla roles so that they can take over when it’s all said and done.