Mafia Reunion - Day Two

My focus on LtL is simply this: I have a method I have found to be 85% reliable in finding Scum in the early Days. Meta doesn’t do it. Aggressive shock voting techniques don’t do it. The early Days are a crapshoot. Voting for those who don’t participate, even if it doesn’t result in a Scum death, lets those who are participating and more vocal continue to play and possibly slip up and/or get caught in a lie.

Once the game gets rolling, it’s less a factor, because then we have vote records, considerably more discussion, and better players than I can construct Walls of Words analyses that may (or may not) hunt down Scum.

Now I need to address Drain Bean and post 1315. Hoo-boy.

That doesn’t mean you somehow get a pass when you screw it up and claim inappropriately.

I reject the premise.

  1. Who gets to determine judgement on claim timing? Is it you? Why? I seriously doubt such one person exists… But hey that might explain the entire Pleonast claiming thing. No seriously. We as a group have our default claiming pattern this much ingrained into our collective psyche, that it’s on me to know the etiquette? Again, without questioning the worth and value of it?

2.Claim Inappropriately.

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Woah.

There is just … So much wrong here, I can’t even begin to formulate a response.

If your point is that vanilla town should never claim [[Which, I think it is, even if that’s an implied subtext, a few layers down.]] then appropriateness isn’t even a condition that should be on the table.

Or did you ever consider, that all claims are inappropriate? Claims of Non-vanilla town, being the most inappropriate, ESPECIALLY to vanilla town players? I mean, if a vanilla claiming AT ANY POINT is inappropriate … Shouldn’t that make power roles claiming at all, forbidden?!

It’s not my fault that people before me have claimed. If you take issue with vanilla town claiming, tell the rest of town not to claim. This cat isn’t getting back in the bag. That bell isn’t getting unrung. … And frankly, if I wasn’t already investigated by now, (There is a precedent for me being investigated ASAP) then this might be an issue. But… I kinda think I’ve been representing town for a while now.

But why don’t you consider combining several approaches to finding scum? Why does these approaches always have to be exclusive? Why can’t you look at lurkers, listen to your gut, try to analyse motivations, look at vote-records, case-making, active lurking, slips/foot-mouth and tone, and build a case from that, or some of those approaches combined?

I spoilered the bulk of the above just for purposes of not overwhelming the page.

First off, hurray! My first WoW and I get a Nine-Star Rating!

I wish to heaven I was ten years younger. My brain was a lot sharper back then, and I had the energy to examine every nook and cranny in an argument. I have seen a number of these over the last year-and-a-half and they never fail to impress me.

They also don’t really work that well as far as finding scum. I mean to say, after all that analysis, anyone is expecting a scum reading at the end. If my PM didn’t remind me I was Town, I’d probably agree with you.

As to the larger points: yes, I really did do the analysis that came up with the 85% figure for lurkers being in the bottom-most of the posters on D1, D2 and D3.

I stopped using it over there because:

  1. LightFoot voted for me everytime I mentioned it.
  2. TexCat voted for me everytime I mentioned it.
  3. I had acquired enough Meta knowledge of the others to play without it.

None of which means it doesn’t work. The real reason it doesn’t work is that many, many, many players apparently feel that the whole process is mechanical, and, as such, isn’t really playing Mafia. They also object to mass claims and any stratagem that requires all or most of the players to vote in one particular way. I understand that. That isn’t the game they signed up for, and it doesn’t give them the psychological satisfaction of finding a rat bastard Scum and lynching him the good old fashioned way.

Regarding fluff: I like it. It doesn’t help Town any, I do realize that. But I’ve been happiest at play when I tell a joke and someone tells me I’ve really cheered up their day. Which has happened a lot, actually. I think it’s good for morale. Especially on the early Days when there isn’t just plain any Data to work with.

I am making excuses for my poor play because I feel I am a poor player. Once in a while I get a gut feeling that pays off, but otherwise… meh. So I work at being helpful, posting voting tallies and Who Posted, &c., and that gives the better players easy access to information that they can use.

So, thank you for your hard work. I’m still Town, but now I can see better why I am coming off scummy in nearly every game I play.

@Meeko

So, no, you don’t understand.

…and the spoilering didn’t work. Pfui.

Ah. I DO do that, later in the game. If I live that long.

One problem is that now that I am so associated with LtL, if I don’t promote it people pick up on it right away and vote for me because I’m playing out of character.

In response to that second paragraph: You can always change meta/playstyle. It may take a few games, but nothing is set in stone. It’s one of the beautiful things about this game.

Yeah, over on Giraffe I’ve managed to make that change. Here I figured, hey, it’s Old School, I’ll dust off the LtL again.

Not my best idea, apparently.

I’m sorry, why does your opinion here matter more than mine?

That’s the problem with Mafia, you can do everything and nothing, and it doesn’t make a bit of difference. The synergy never happens.

No, then you just get lynched day one, as scum, for not living up to post count.

Just Me? :smiley:

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I’m not sure anything could change my meta or playstyle.:frowning:

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You are too busy looking at my answer, that you aren’t looking at the question.

You have to shoehorn in “inappropriately”.

I think this is a microcosm of why our games don’t work. Mafia. Not Claimia.

I believe we should play Mafia in such a way, that this isn’t an issue. YES. I understand the point you are making. But again, I reject the premise. This is not the question you, or anyone else, should be asking. It shouldn’t even be a question. --Before you attempt to unload the next clip onto me, ponder why we making claiming such a big deal in the first place. The climate of our games should be no where near “OMG ITS A MAFIA GAME, I’ll claim Night -1! It’s ok, I always do that, so its kosher… Ha ha… Unless anyone else does it.”

Seriously.

We are so comfortable with THE game breaking element of Mafia, we don’t only allow it, we in fact demand it from certain players… But lose our shit if someone else does it.

Someone who is vanilla town shouldn’t be afraid of claiming, at any point in time. Our game play as a group, should avoid this fourth rail* at all costs.

*Fourth Rail. Like Third Rail, except not. The Third rail should also be avoided … But discussing Setup / J Sexton is … ((The Third Rail)) probably a fight I’ll lose.

Hey Prof. since you like being helpful, you wanna help me out? I want an overview of who, of the voters on brewha, ToeJam and Crys75 made any alternative cases, FOS’s or similar after brewha claimed his switch, how many they did and how elaborate they were. You’re allowed to say no, if so I’ll do it myself when I have time for it.

About six minutes to D3.

That actually sounds like a plan. Here’s my deal: in the next half-hour or so I have company coming, and that will be the end of my participation here for Tuesday. If I get any time tomorrow, I’ll get on that. If you want it any sooner, you’ll need to do it yourself.

So instead of idle doing HUGE font claims, we have meeko doing HUGE fonts against claims.

Great. I thought I borked the tags. :slight_smile:

I don’t have the vig switch…I have the bodyguard switch which is a scum power role

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I did more than. Once lol

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